William Barnes

[aitbarn]

Hi,

Can anyone help me with my research into my maternal great great great grandfather William Barnes, born 29 May 1814 in Massingham, Norfolk? I have his marriage to Ann Codling on 20th Nov 1841, the witnesses were George Codling and Elizabeth Barnes.

I have been unable to find William's parents. Do I need to search local record offices to get the information? If so can someone post the links.

Also does anyone know the historical reason why members of a family of farm labourers would migrate to Sunderland to work in heavy industry between 1871 and 1881? Did something happen to reduce the amount of farm work, possibly the introduction of machinery?

Thanks for your help.

Barny

[rosie99]

Hi

What information does his marriage give regarding his father. 

Rosie

[The Yokel]

Hi
The marriage is here
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=130677

and here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0s5r/

Father William Saddleton

Yokel

[findem]

Hi,

More often than not the reason Ag Labourers went north for work was that the pay was better, in those days Ag Labourers worked long hours for poor pay.  Somewhere on RootsChat there is a topic on the subject, I believe on the Essex board, other factors were mentioned such as the practice of farmers putting their labourers on reduced pay during the winter months.

Regards,

 

[Yorkslass]

Hi Barny,

Here you go - baptised at Little Massingham - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12330-90126-55?cc=1823613&wc=9019913

Lucky to have an illegitimate child's father named!

Yorkslass

[aitbarn]

HI

Thanks to everyone who posted answers and links,you've helped me solve a puzzle.

Regards,

Barny

[trish1120]

1841 Census William Barns c 1816, Norfolk, Ag Lab, may be living next door to his Mother.

1841 Census
Great Massingham, Norfolk
HO107/769/1/Great Massingham
John MORE, 45, Ag Lab
SARAH, 45
Richard, 15
Sarah, 7
William BARNES, 25, Ag Lab
All born in County

Christenings Saint Mary, Great Massingham, Norfolk;
MORE, Parents JOHN/SARAH
Fathers Occp Labourer
RICHARD 14 Aug 1825
MARY 23 Dec 1827
EDWARD 27 June 1830
SARAH 06 October 1833
(Source FreeREG)
Richard/Sarah appear on 1941 Census with Parents John/Sarah.

1851 Census Sarah MORRE is born c 1793, Messingham !
HO107/1828/23/11

Marriage;
John MOORE/Sarah BARNES, 14 April 1824, Swaffam, Norfolk
(F/S)
FreeREG has Sarah of Great Massingham on Marriage Record

Trish

[Duodecem]

Re migration from Norfolk to the North East for work. I have a number of ancestors who moved up to Northumberland, principally William Osborne, his wife Harriet and several members of his family. William was in Ketteringham in 1851 but by 1861, aged 65 he was living in Earsdon  Northumberland. He continued working as an agricultural worker, but his sons, sons-in-law and grandson -all of whom moved around the same time- worked in the mines. Most remained in Northumberland, one even made enough money to cease mining and buy a small farm!

I imagine the reason for moving was to improve work opportunities, presumably increasing mechanisation meant less farm work and/or lower wages.

In terms of practicalities I would think they travelled by sea -in returning coal boats perhaps?

I read a post about a similar subject concerning Suffolk farm workers moving North and I tried to find it so I could send you the link but no luck, I'm afraid.

[trish1120]

Baptism;
Saint Mary, GM
Sarah BARNS, 06 July 1792, Parents EDWARD/HANNAH
Siblings;
EDWARD Barns 21 March 1790
CLARK Barnes 12 Oct 1794 (Buried 04 Dec 1824 aged 3mths)
THOS Barnes 21 March 1801
(Last 2 have Mother as CLARK)


Burial;
SARAH More, 10 Feb 1860 age 69, Saint Mary.

Other Illeg Children to a Sarah BARNS/Barnes
ELIZTH Barnes 03 Aug 1817
(may be Buried 25 Feb 1818 as Elizbeth Barnes age 18mths)
ALICE Barnes 06 June 1824

Marriage;
Edward B_RMS
Hannah CLARK, 11 Oct 1785 Saint Marys