looking for family, surname French or Hayden

[shorts]

The Anastasia French mentioned as witness to Ellen's marriage is most likely my grand mother who from 1911 census shows living at 33 Fishers Row Wexford age 25 and 23 living with uncle John Murphy 48 journeyman shoemaker. will see if I can find out what the location name is as per the item you have found but we know that Anastasia when married lived in a house in Batt Street before they eventually moved to Liverpool late 1938 but no idea of location in wexford between 1911 and 1938

Anastasia Hayden married John French on 2 February 1908 per the Rowe St church parish register.

All the evidence seems to point to you & Fran J being 2nd Cousins twice over in that you share two Great Grandfathers - Peter French & Thomas Hayden.

(Fran J hasn't been back on-line since her initial post)

[homerj]

yeah its pretty amazing that she should be looking for same surnames and then looks like we are 2nd cousins - i have messaged FranJ in the hope they log back (I have been checking their logon profile :-))
but i cant send her any more as she can't receive pm's since she only made one post and obviously her email is not disclosed

I have found John and Anastasia's grave too and recently connected up with another cousin from them (my dad's brother's daughter) so now have a pretty decent chart put together on all this, mostly done from census records. Certainly your posts and searches have really jelled stuff together nicely, like this last one which details the church. I have my dads (their son) birth cert for when then moved from ireland to the Wirral.
I have photos of them too.

They both died over here on the Wirral so have all the other details

Its also that our grandmothers are sisters too anastasia and sarah.

Me thinks we need a visit to ireland.

many thanks again, hopefully we can get FranJ on line soon to complete the picture.
have a great Christmas

[Ruskie]

Sorry to butt in here as you seem to be on such a roll (excellent work by 'shorts' .... I might have to call on you for help with my Wexford family  ), but I am wondering if FranJ, being a brand new member, may not have enabled notifications of replies, so perhaps she is unaware that there have been so many replies here, and that a 2nd cousin has found her.

I hope she returns soon - I'm sure she will be thrilled with all the discoveries.

[homerj]

Shorts - not expecting you to do all the work for me by any means, you have done so much already for myself and FranJ
I hope to get some done myself but baptism and marriage entries are really valuable

I have a fairly substantial chart now, the next part I need to investigate is my fathers side
sons/daughters of Peter French b. 1856 married Catherine Murphy details as per 1901 census plus we now know he moved to Birkenhead by 1916 which im now looking at in more detail.

I have nearly all I need on son John (being my grandfather having moved to Merseyside 1938) and Martin from your previous posts.

the outstanding ones are
Bridie b. 1883      had moved out of family home 35 fishers row by 1911
Jane b. 1888        had moved out of family home 35 fishers row by 1911
Thomas b. 1890   had moved out of family home 35 fishers row by 1911
Peter b. 1892      still in family home 1911
George b. 1897   still in family home 1911

dates of birth assumed from census records

thanks homerj

[shorts]

No Problem - but it won't be until the Xmas break that I'll be able to re-visit my notes etc.

I know I've seen various other French & Hayden records which may help you firm up on dates.

My Mother lived next door to a French (or possibly Ffrench) family in Fisher's Row in the 1940's - not sure which one so I'll find out from her in due course.   

[shorts]

I have a fairly substantial chart now, the next part I need to investigate is my fathers side
sons/daughters of Peter French b. 1856 married Catherine Murphy details as per 1901 census plus we now know he moved to Birkenhead by 1916 which im now looking at in more detail.

I have nearly all I need on son John (being my grandfather having moved to Merseyside 1938) and Martin from your previous posts.

the outstanding ones are
Bridie b. 1883      had moved out of family home 35 fishers row by 1911
Jane b. 1888        had moved out of family home 35 fishers row by 1911
Thomas b. 1890   had moved out of family home 35 fishers row by 1911
Peter b. 1892      still in family home 1911
George b. 1897   still in family home 1911

dates of birth assumed from census records

I’ll post what I’ve found on the French family in chronological order.

Below is the Wexford Town parish register entry for the marriage of Peter French to Catherine Murphy. Unfortunately it doesn’t state any fathers’ names or places of residence but it at least confirms their date of marriage, November 5th 1879.

The name Mary Murphy, one of the witnesses, crops up as a sponsor on some later baptism entries so she’s probably a relative of Catherine’s, most likely a sister.   

Their first child, Mary Jane French, was born on 15 April 1880. A sponsor was Mary J French, likely to have been a sister of Peter.

On the 14 October 1881 a child given the name ‘Mary Jane’ French was born. This would seem to imply that the Mary Jane French born in 1880 had died in infancy. (the subsequent 1911 census states that Peter & Catherine/Kate had only 8 of 11 children stilll living so this looks like one of the three)

A ‘Sponsor’ was Mary Murphy who could well be the same person as the witness at Peter & Kate’s wedding.

[shorts]

I couldn't find a baptism record for Bridie French born approx 1883.

John French was born in England (in Dover per the 1901 census) and there is a UK birth registration in the district of Dover for a 'John Thomas French' in Q3 1885.

Jane French was born at Byrnes Lane on 18 September 1887 and Baptised on the 20th. It also confirms the details of her later marriage in 1909.

[shorts]

Thomas French was born on 25 November 1989

[shorts]

George French was born on 19 December 1896.

Patrick Joseph French was born on 18 October 1901. He's not in the 1911 census so it can be assumed that he was another of the three children no longer alive by 1911.