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Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« on: Thursday 27 November 08 19:13 GMT (UK) »
 ;D Hello Everyone.
Now on part 7............

Link to part 6. page 20
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,281880.285.html
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Re: Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 November 08 19:16 GMT (UK) »
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Exchequer: King's Remembrancer: Certificates of Residence E 115/370/73
Turner, Turnor, Ralph: Surrey . Turner, Turnor, Ralph: Surrey Exchequer: King's Remembrancer: Certificates of Residence The National Archives, Kew
Date range: 1547 - 1685.

Hmmmmmmm.... needs looking at  :o
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Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
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Re: Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 November 08 19:35 GMT (UK) »
sometimes you needed to prove you were the righful owner of the property and were taken to court to do so for example in the civil war period many royalists were evicted by the puritans and their houses sold to pay for the war debt or lived in by the puritans.
 when the King was reinstated the Royalists wanted their houses back (are you still with me) so there were often court cases to this effect.
now before the property act was changed in the 1925/6 you had to keep the deeds to a property for as long as possible  to prove ownership but some of these deeds were lost (or used for insulation - check loft spaces)

even if there was no reason to prove the ownership many people did for fear of losing their property once again and this lead to a mass of cases held at the Chancery / Equity courts

TNA ref C54 – title deeds endorsements court records


fictious law suites so judgement could be officially recorded – back to the 1100’s
Party 1 – this is my house
Party 2 no it isn’t
Taken to court
Court makes judgment each party gets a copy of the decision and a third copy is held by the court – this is held at TNA back to the 1100’s and after 14th c is searchable on name plaintiff. affidavit, witnesses, or property

court records- equity court . chancery court (from sell of property )
Equity courts – owner occupied – people went to court house passed down? 14th c
Chancery of exchequer – bills and owners, derogatories and replications. 14thc

National property disputes – honours lists houses for questions (cash for questions modern day example)


English civil war – seized by parliamentarians sold off to pay war debt – regained at end of civil war royalists wanted their properties back – lead to equity cases en mass

Court exhibits – name source – pedigrees of family dissent, title deeds, diaries journals, correspondence

Chancery court exhibits –wills family- inventrys, goods possessions chattels effects


so i would say your document was likely to be a dispute over property and then the outcome of same

remember a married womans property act - before the 1880's everything belonged to her husband she had no right - even if he died intestate





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Re: Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 November 08 21:11 GMT (UK) »
what year did Ralph marry Susannah ? (roughly) can we bring the tree forward?
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Re: Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 November 08 21:16 GMT (UK) »
re the Binfield Turners
The Royal Household has always employed a large staff across a range of professions records of the staff of the two main household departments (Lord Chambrlains (LC) and Lord Stewarts (LS) date from the 17th c at TNA but i thought there was an Archivist a Windsor, in fact i know there is as i found a link before,
what year are we looking at for the Binfield Turners to belong to the royal staff? before the 17th c?

ah ha yes there is found it again  ;D

querey must be in writing sent to
The Registrar
The Royal Archives
Round Tower
Windsor Castle
Windsor
Berks
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Re: Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 November 08 21:38 GMT (UK) »
 >:( Info locked up in Completed cupboard............... Grrrrrr!!
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 November 08 21:50 GMT (UK) »
did John s/o Ralph have siblings ?

so we are looking for a marriage circa early 1670's
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 27 November 08 22:05 GMT (UK) »
seatbelt fasten time here (thats what thy jus said on the telly!)

BY Christmas Day (yes 25 December)  1723 all men and women in Britain were to have sworn a loyalty oath to the the King (George I) and thus denounced the young pretender James Francis Edward Stuart (Jacobite) or risk forfeiting their estates
those who did not sign were largely roman catholics, they had to register their property witht he courts or risk forfeitin their estates - all who registered their estates were treated as roman catholics and were subject to punitive tax (that t word again) 

previous to this the Protestation Oath of 1641 contains the names of nearly all adult males
The association oath of 1696 provides extensive listings for someparts of England

so back to the 1723 oath
this was brought in on discvoery of the Atterbury Plot (after the Bishop of Rochester who was not actually the instigator)  hatched betwixt 1720 & 1722
so in May 1723 Royal Assent was given to two acts of parliament
an act for granting aid to HM by kaying tax upon Papists (a tax on Catholics over 18 to deter Cahlic powers in Europe frm supporting any more attempts to restore Stuart Monarchy) anyone who refused to take the oath of alligence  were classed as catholics .
All persons whatsoever oboth Men and Women over the age of 18 , only holders of public ofice who had already sworn under the previous act were exempt Quakers who refused to swear could sign a solemn affirmation instead.

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Re: Pt 7 :-) Lesanne's Sc Hunt ...........
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 27 November 08 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Les do you want me to post all the civil war links ?
a timelin might help doyou think
the civil war was in gfact a series of 3 wars 1642-1646 1648-1649 & 1650-1651
so in theory 1647 should have full records
of course this is not the case

tr this link also
linux02.lib.cam.ac.uk/earlscolne/diary/index.htm

good reading if nothing else  ;D

off to bed now footballs finished keep getting looked at because of the typing  ::)
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