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Tyr Wynt?
« on: Friday 28 December 12 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
my ancestor Ann Morgan b. 1836 (nee Phillips) was living here in 1871 -91, but they couldn't decide how to spell it.
1871; RG10/5352/130/22 Tyr Hwnt
1881; RG11/5273/24/7 Tyr Wynt
1891; RG12/4382/10/13 Tir Wnt
The location is Cwmdows above Crumlin, Mon.
Does anyone know the correct spelling and translation please.

I cannot find the place in 1901 nor in 1911. Ann had moved by 1901 but I would love to know who lived there in those years.
A modern OS map has Tyr-hunt in the right area. ST205981 approx.

Thanks for any help,
Rob

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 January 13 09:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,
my ancestor Ann Morgan b. 1836 (nee Phillips) was living here in 1871 -91, but they couldn't decide how to spell it.
1871; RG10/5352/130/22 Tyr Hwnt
1881; RG11/5273/24/7 Tyr Wynt
1891; RG12/4382/10/13 Tir Wnt
The location is Cwmdows above Crumlin, Mon.
Does anyone know the correct spelling and translation please.

I cannot find the place in 1901 nor in 1911. Ann had moved by 1901 but I would love to know who lived there in those years.
A modern OS map has Tyr-hunt in the right area. ST205981 approx.

Thanks for any help,
Rob
According to a Welsh speaking friend, Tir Wynt literary means 'windy place'.

Gerry

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 January 13 10:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Gerry,
I can imagine it was/is rather windy in that location.
Must have blown away by 1901, ha ha.
Rob


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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 January 13 16:49 GMT (UK) »
I think this may be it in 1901 - Terhunt Farm,Abercarn

William Thomas,34,born CefnCoch plus family

RG13  4967  48  36

He is not a short term resident.

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 17 January 13 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Great stuff,
that's the place.
The Ann Thomas (wife) is d/o the Ann Morgan in my original post.

Thanks Roger,
Rob

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 January 13 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Have now found the 1911 record.
It is now spelled; Ty-wrunt.
Oh well it's anyones guess.

Same people there as 1901.

Thanks for all your help and translations.
Rob

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 January 13 11:44 GMT (UK) »
What appears in any database can obviously be the product of a number of things:

The interpretation of the enumerator of what he is told(more relevant if the informant is not literate)

The handwriting of the enumerator

The skill of the database transcriber(perhaps unlikely to be Welsh).This may vary between databases

One step can usually be removed from this by viewing the original and forming your own opinion but in the latter case this is difficult.

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Roger

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 January 13 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Have a look at http://www.old-maps.co.uk  Put in co ordinates 320661 / 198088 and this should take you to the map. You can then select from the list on the right which year you want to look at.  The map dated 1879/1880 shows the premises spelt tyr Hunt

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Re: Tyr Wynt?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 January 13 18:39 GMT (UK) »
Gwynt mutated to wynt can also mean smell in other parts of Wales!
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