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Vezelia Kelly-Howard-Harris
« on: Saturday 19 January 13 00:25 GMT (UK) »
I am also seeking information on my wife's Great Great Grandmother Vezelia Kelly. I do not know date of birth only that she was supposed to be born in Ireland. There are several variations of her christian name eg .Bezlie, Bozilla, Vizillia, Vezillia.
It appears she was married twice. No.1 Richard Howard  No.2 James Harris
Her first husband was Richard Howard and I have not been able to locate birth,death or marriage records. I do know they had a daughter Minnie Annie Howard born abt 1844 in Port William Calcutta. He is listed on their daughters Marriage and death certificates as a Officer/Soldier in the 50th Regiment Port William Calcutta India. Minnie Annie Howard married in Beaufort Victoria Australia 1871 to a Thomas John Hepburn.
It is not known when Vezelia came to Australia but she is listed as the mother of Vezelea Harris born in Melbourne 1848 then Luke Harris in 1852 in Melbourne and Caroline May Harris in abt 1857 in Ararat Victoria (Caroline is my paternal Great Grandmother) and I have no birth or baptismal records for her.
The father of these children was second husband James Harris, his  year of birth or where is not known. I cannot find marriage details for them either. James Harris is listed on various certificates as a Boot maker, Shoemaker, Store Keeper and Miner. He is listed as deceased on his daughter Caroline's marriage certificate in 1875.
I have a death certificate for a Bozilla Harris dying at Ballarat in 1882 but unfortunately no family members other than she was married and Ireland is place of birth.
I know others are seeking a Vezilia Harris, her daughter, and have mixed up the dates and I can help with that but it is Vezelia Kelly that I would really like to trace.

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Re: Vezelia Kelly-Howard-Harris
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 January 13 11:23 GMT (UK) »
This post on another site gives another alias- "mother- Basila PATTERSON"
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-MELBOURNE/2003-04/1049864599

Unfortunately civil registration of births in Ireland didn't start until 1864 and to find church records (if they exist) you'll need to know the family's religion and where they lived.


Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Vezelia Kelly-Howard-Harris
« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 January 13 00:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Aghadowey,
Thanks for the link, I had spotted that a while ago and have tried to communicate with them to help sort out their lines of connection. I am sure that I have most of the Australian Vezelia (and what ever combination of the name that is available) connection including siblings and offspring. It is that elusive Irish/Cornish/Gypsy origin which I guess I may never find. 

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Re: Vezelia Kelly-Howard-Harris
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 July 16 05:42 BST (UK) »
Dear Tardis,

Thank you for your post which really enlightened us to our ancestry and how we were connected to the Hepburns, which I couldn't work out, although I knew Nan (Dorothy Jean King nee Tait; 1923-2008) was invited to the family reunion in the 1980s. My great great grandparents were Vezelea and John Rickard.

Vezelea and John Rickard had their eldest, son John Arthur Rickard, in Pleasant Ck 1869, conceived prior to wedlock, born after marriage, so that's why family history wasn't openly discussed by our grandparents. John Rickard's, brother James Rickard (often then called Rickards) was Mayor of Stawell in 1873. However, the brothers still were partners early on and John and Vezelia Rickard lived in Main St, Stawell in 1872 where their first daughter Anna Rickard was born. They subsequently had many more children Edwin Ernest Rickard 1 ( 1874-1876), Edwin Ernest Rickard 2. (1876-1877); Vezelia Rickard Jnr (1876-1945); George William Rickard (1877-1941); Edwin Ernest Rickard 3 (18778-1904 aged 26); Ida Maude Rickard (1883-1936); Burchess Nicholas Rickard (1885-1964); Elizabeth Rickard (1889) and Caroline Rickard (1890-1965). Their maternal grandmother was Vezelia ie Basila Patterson (which we now know thanks to your post and is buried in unhoused section of Ballarat cemetery as Bozila ie Vezelia Kelly- Howard- Patterson- Harris). Their maternal grandfather was James Harris who died in Ararat, uncle was Luke Harris, aunt Caroline (I'm unsure if it was Samuel Crane or Craig whom she married, as her death lists Craig, but the only 1875 marriage cert I see for 1875 for a Caroline or Carol was to a Samuel Crane. You would Know.

We were always a little confused about the origins of Vezelea as my nan Dorothy Tait knew the Hepburns as her mum's first cousins from Victoria (Nan's parents; Ida Rickard and James Tait were married in Lancefield in 1911, but surname was mispelt Tail instead of Tait, 1911 Reg 43; so even that was hard to find; I have a copy of their wedding photo). When she was young they had contact with some of Rickard first cousins and aunt Caroline and also knew some of her mother's first cousins, the Hepburns, so had been invited to the Hepburn family reunion. She had a memento book from that Hepburn reunion (which we were unable to locate when she died- my mum is an only child). However I remember that memento included a photo of Vezelea Harris/Rickard; I'm not sure of the actual spelling as it changes on each certificate.  I remember seeing the copy of photo, when I was in primary school in the eighties or early high school. Nans mother, Ida Tait ( nee Rickard) had blue eyes and mid brown hair and fairer skin, than her mother Vezelea who was rather dark in hair colour and complexion, olive shin, as I have.  My Nan spoke in whispers that she had come from Calcutta, which we thought was why we have the noses we have. We thought perhaps we have some Indian in us, so when Nans elder sister researched her to Ballarat we were surprised she was a Kelly from Ireland. Prior to that Nan suggested that perhaps English Richard Howard, had children with his nursemaid servant from Calcutta and hence the unusual name Vezelea. Speculation abounded. However your article enlightened us as to the real connection with Calcutta and Vezelea Harris'/ Howards' name changes, so l was then able to trace the death records.

Since I live 17km from Ballarat, I was able to go into the cemetery- no gravestone for Basila Harris, as listed as unhoused and family were all in Stawell, or Castlemaine goldfields, at that time in 1860s. However, she has a record in the gatehouse and certificate mentions she died in Ballarat hospital, was a Kelly as maiden name, and death from memory says from County Meath in Ireland ( friend traced it for me from her membership with Ancestry.com)

I wished I could have seen that Hepburn reunion memento book again, before Nan got very bad dementia and early onset senility, after her retirement from being a bookkeeper ( she was terrific at mental arithmetic and accounting). However it was lost or given away. My grandmother's elder sister Joyce Duncan had also looked into the tree at that time and had been quite confused as to all the different names, using the Ballarat library's microfiche. I was unsure as to how the Hepburns were related, exactly, if they were by blood, or by adoption. I thought that perhaps a servant girl named Patterson simply Brought Annie Howard to Australia, then met James Harris and had another three children that we know of, but raised Annie as her own. Your information then confirmed that she was indeed related partially genetically, owing to Vezelia Harris, Luke and Caroline, being half-siblings to Annie Minnie Howard. Thank you.

 The Hepburn who had produced the reunion memento booklet had the Hepburn family bible with some history of Vezelea Howard/ Kelly and they may be able to tell you more information. However as I was primary aged at the time, in the eighties, neither my mother nor I can't remember the name of that man, Hepburn, and weren't quite sure of the connection as I've said. I'm grateful you've supplied  details and thanks to you I now know Annie Minnie Howard was my great g g grandmother, Vezelia's, daughter to her first marriage Richard Howard, so thank you for clearing that up. I had searched for days to find her immigration records and was totally confused.

Thanks


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Re: Vezelia Kelly-Howard-Harris
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 July 16 10:22 BST (UK) »
Dear Peoniesandtulips

Hi Sam,
It was really interesting to receive your post today. Vezelia Kelly Howard Harris has certainly caused great confusion over the years. Her exact origin is proving to be hard to pinpoint as I have two hospital admissions from Ballarat shortly before she died one showing she was born in India and the other in Ireland. In the absence of her family at the time of her death there was no-one present to provide accurate information. It was interesting to note that a record at the Ballarat Cemetery Gate House appearing to confirm that she was a Kelly but certainly the death certificate makes no mention of County Meath merely Ireland. Certainly Minnie Annie Howard paperwork all state that she was born in Calcutta.

 It is a shame that the momento book you mentioned has gone missing because photos of that side of the family are non existent so far..I note you have a wedding photo of Ida Rickard and James Tait I would love to see that.

Take a look at our family tree on ancestry.com.au under the name crane_craig_merriman_wignell as  all we have found out we have put on there including copies of certificates and newspaper articles . 
Really nice to hear from you and don't hesitate to message us if you want further help.

Kind Regards Dianne