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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #27 on: Monday 28 January 13 06:31 GMT (UK) »
COMPLETE SUPPOSITION...BUT ???
Hmm....Ellen Baron Married John Chandler at C of E Montellorus, Wellington District in 1850.
John Chandler Died Warialda District aged 46 ref 5326/1859Children.
JaneV18512419 37A/1851
Richard W 8935/1860 MOLONG

WELLINGTON AND MOLONG ARE QUITE CLOSE.

Don't know how this ties with your workings, but is a possible ::)

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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #28 on: Monday 28 January 13 06:42 GMT (UK) »
Sorry meant to put in.

ELLEN BARRON  Born V18361212 20/1836  TO  RICHARD AND SARAH 

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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #29 on: Monday 28 January 13 06:47 GMT (UK) »
Death in right area.

RICHARD BARRON, DIED 7106/1866, AGE 60 YEARS, AT WELLINGTON.

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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #30 on: Monday 28 January 13 07:21 GMT (UK) »

There is a marriage in 1856 Scone of a John Chandler and Alice White
In 1859 there was a marriage at Scone for Alice CHANDLER. 
I wonder if Alice was abandoned by John for Helen/Ellen BURKE?


A James BURKE died suddenly at Scone. Reg. 5853/1863 
He was employed for 25 years on a property at Scone owned by the then NSW Minister of Lands who paid for the burial of James BURKE.  May have been the father of Helen CHANDLER/HOLMES?


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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #31 on: Monday 28 January 13 07:44 GMT (UK) »

 
A James BURKE died suddenly at Scone. Reg. 5853/1863 
He was employed for 25 years on a property at Scone owned by the then NSW Minister of Lands who paid for the burial of James BURKE.  May have been the father of Helen CHANDLER/HOLMES?


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There is some information about this man on Jenn Willett's website "free or felon" posted by MUSS above.

  http://www.jenwilletts.com/search.htm

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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #32 on: Monday 28 January 13 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Had it been noted on the thread that the marriage found by giblet took place at Bathurst.?

V18344532 74B/1834  BURKE  JAMES  WALSH  ELLEN  JI

JI = Presbyterian Bathurst

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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #33 on: Monday 28 January 13 08:27 GMT (UK) »

A James BURKE died suddenly at Scone. Reg. 5853/1863 
He was employed for 25 years on a property at Scone owned by the then NSW Minister of Lands who paid for the burial of James BURKE.  May have been the father of Helen CHANDLER/HOLMES?

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There is some information about this man on Jenn Willett's website "free or felon" posted by MUSS above.

  http://www.jenwilletts.com/search.htm

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Can't tell which James BURKE on that website?


Report of his death.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18700303?searchTerm="James BURKE"&searchLimits=l-decade=186|||l-title=8

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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #34 on: Monday 28 January 13 19:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello Everyone
Many thanks all your replies and great suggestions yesterday. 

Feel that the best possibility is the idea that John Chandler married Alice White (wonder if she was part of the famous White family of Belltrees fame) at Scone in 1856 (reg. 1995)  As noted, there are no children registered for this couple.  He took up with Helen/Ellen Burke or whatever her maiden name was, and my ggm Georgina Jane was born of this liaison in 1858.  Helen/Ellen then used the Chandler surname for her following 3 daughters until she met up with James Holmes.

I see that a John Chandler died in Warialda in 1859 (reg.5326) aged 46 years.  An Alice Chandler married same year in Scone to a Edward Robert Ettreridge (sic) (reg. 2905) 

Now the decision I need to make is whether I buy John & Alice's marriage certificate to see if it shows John's occupation (it was noted on George Jane's marriage record that her father was a 'Drover') or does anyone have access to the Scone Church records?
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Re: Helen or Ellen BURKE/WELCH/MORLEY/DELANEY/CHANDLER/HOLMES !!! born c1835
« Reply #35 on: Monday 28 January 13 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Interesting stuff... ::) My GGGrandfather Married an Alice Chandler in 1884. She may have got around. My GGGrandfafther had 4 children with her but lost 2.

Neil

Meant to put in that the death in Warialda fits with the occupation of DROVER. It was the stockroute south to scone and supplies to Sydney.
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