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1851 census family and a mystery
« on: Monday 11 February 13 10:19 GMT (UK) »
can someone check the 1851 census for me please for the following family.
believed to be in the shilton area.
 ann liggins aged 19 years living at home.

charles liggins alias  ceckland christened 6 feb 1731 at shilton warks  father charles liggins alias ceckland why the alias. any ideas please.

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 February 13 10:24 GMT (UK) »

Hi

1851 Census England Warwickshire Bulkington
HO107/2065/455/34
West of Barnacle Road

LIGGINS
Joseph Head Marr 47 Ag Lab Warwickshire Chilvers Coton?
Elizabeth Wife Marr 44 Formerly Servant Warwickshire Frankton
Sarah Dau Unmarr 21 Ribbon Weaver Warwickshire Shilton
Ann Dau Unmarr 19 Ribbon Weaver Warwickshire Shilton
Joseph Son Unmarr 14 Ribbon Weaver Warwickshire Bulkington
Ephraim Son Unmarr 8 Scholar Warwickshire Bulkington
Elizabeth Dau Unmarr 5 Scholar Warwickshire Bulkington

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 February 13 13:47 GMT (UK) »


charles liggins alias  ceckland christened 6 feb 1731 at shilton warks  father charles liggins alias ceckland why the alias. any ideas please.

Maybe it is not Alias as in 'also known as'  but a christian name like Elias just spelt differently
Familysearch does show it with a capital A  :)

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 February 13 14:50 GMT (UK) »
The original parish register entry reads;

Charles the son of Charles Liggins alias Checkland was baptized February 6th ann. Dom 1731-2

If you Google for checkland liggins you will find other researchers puzzling over this, but possibly this provides a clue:

http://boards.ancestrylibrary.com/surnames.lygon/4.2/mb.ashx

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 February 13 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Actually, having checked the PR entry referred to in the link I posted, I think it reads:

Martin [?] sonne of Goodith Liggins als. Checkland   bastard
baptized the 16th of July

Goodith is, I think,  the lady's given name, not 'Goodwife' as the poster of that message interpreted it.

So it would seem that for some reason Goodith used both surnames, and Checkland is not (at least not necessarily) the father's name.
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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 February 13 07:18 GMT (UK) »
thank you very much

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 March 20 12:13 GMT (UK) »
I have been researching family in Newbold on Avon, Warwickshire back to the late 1600's and have found a whole mix of Checkland, Liggins, Ligons, Ligins, Checkland alias Liggins, Liggins alias Checkland - just about every combination you can think of.

The parish registers definitely mention the word "alias" but I've yet to get to the bottom of it. I'd love to know if anyone has an answer.

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 March 20 14:38 GMT (UK) »
Actually, having checked the PR entry referred to in the link I posted, I think it reads:

Martin [?] sonne of Goodith Liggins als. Checkland   bastard
baptized the 16th of July

Goodith is, I think,  the lady's given name, not 'Goodwife' as the poster of that message interpreted it.

So it would seem that for some reason Goodith used both surnames, and Checkland is not (at least not necessarily) the father's name.

Could Goodith be someone's way of spelling what we might now spell Judith?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: 1851 census family and a mystery
« Reply #8 on: Monday 31 January 22 06:32 GMT (UK) »
There are three reasons I know of for an ALIAS

a) illegitimacy. However if it is continued down the generations this is unlikely
b) important maternal-side family. Want to keep the memory of once-were-gentry forbears intact
c) Couldnt make their mind up in the first place between a place name and a patronymic

There are a surprising number of examples of type c that were kept going for centuries till someone finally took the plunge in favour of one or t'other

I think this is a Type c.
- LIGGINS is a patronymic from 'son of little Ligulf'
- CHECKLAND (later Checklin) place in Warwickshire, like Checkley Staffs, maybe from 'chalkland'.

There is a long ridge of fine-grained macritic "white lias limestone" stretching from Moreton Morrell to Southam in Warwickshire, which might fit the bill.

So we are talking about descendants of Ligurd from the chalk land.