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Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« on: Tuesday 12 February 13 11:39 GMT (UK) »
My late husband's great aunt Elizabeth Cutting married a man called Edward George Landells, who was apparently Australian, and they named their first daughter Adelaide after Adelaide in Australia, so the story goes. Information I found on the web a few years ago gave him as the son of James Douglas Landells of Coburg, Victoria. However, yesterday I found a list of James Douglas Landells' children and Edward wasn't on it. Edward was supposed to have been born in Coburg in 1876, but James Landells has a son Adam James Douglas born in that year. Was Edward a twin,  the son of another Landells, or is there another explanation? I feel there is a family connection, as Edward named his own son Edward George Douglas Landells. (James had a brother named Edward Douglas Landells who later settled in New Zealand and married a Maori.)

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Re: Edward George Landells - whose son is he?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 February 13 13:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Geordie,

When and where did this marriage take place?

Edit to add that I see it was in 1900 in South Africa, is that correct?

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Re: Edward George Landells - whose son is he?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 February 13 13:13 GMT (UK) »
DEATHS

LANDELLS.-On the 15th April, at his son's residence, Bacchus Marsh, James Douglas, beloved father of Janie,Mary, Grace, James, William, Annie, David, Edward, John and Harry, aged 77 years. A respected resident of Coburg for many years. A colonist of 64 years.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90577709

His obit:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/90577711

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Re: Edward George Landells - whose son is he?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 February 13 14:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi Debra
Yes, you're right about the marriage being in South Africa. I don't think Edward had any contact with his family in Australia after his marriage, although I don't know for sure. I get the impression the Landells lost contact with the Cutting family in later years, in spite of one of their granddaughters becoming my mother-in-law!

Thank you for the death notice and obituary. Now I just have to figure out precisely where Edward fits in to the picture. I'd dearly love to know why he ended up in South Africa, but unless he left under a cloud, and the fact was locally reported, I guess I'll never find out.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 February 13 10:54 GMT (UK) »
I checked the names of James' children on the Death Notice against the list of children I had, and the only one that doesn't appear is Adam James Douglas, so perhaps he did change his name to Edward George, after all.

This week I finally unearthed baptisms for four of Edward and Elizabeth's children. Edward George Douglas, their firstborn, had JAMES LANDELLS as one of his godparents, which indicates that Edward still had contact with his family at that point. (I'm assuming that this would be brother Adam James, born 1868, and not James Douglas Landells.) Edward senior was a stone cutter/mason, by trade, until circa 1910, when his occupation is given as 'police constable,' on the baptismal record of his daughter Millicent. Their daughter Adelaide was actually Dorothy Adelaide, born 1904.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 February 13 10:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Geordie daughter,

Not sure if you have a list of all the births registered in Victoria
to James Douglas Landells and Sarah Singleton.

Jane 1861 Dunolly Reg#16444
Jane McNaughton died 1947 E Bwick age 85 Reg#8198

Mary Margaret 1863 Pentridge Reg#19176
Margaret McDonald died 1945 Carl Nth age 81 Reg#303

Grace Douglas 1866 Pentridge Reg#16978
Grace Waller died 1946 Mornton age 79 years Reg#19116

Adam James 1868 Pentridge Reg#4667
died 1939 Red Cliffs 71 years Reg#17423

William George 1870 Pentridge Reg#4384
died 1943 Coburg 72 years Reg#10889 ( as posted by Sue)

Annie Ada 1872 Coburg Reg#4571
Annie Goodall died 1942 Mornington 70 years Reg#23626

David Henry 1874 Coburg Reg#1370
died 1940 Cburg 66 years Reg#3890

Adam James Douglass 1876 Coburg Reg#8239

John Dallawal 1878 Coburg Reg#14677

Henry [/b]1882 Coburg Reg#1588
died 1960  Age 78 years Reg#9626

There is also this death
William James died 1860 age 70 days
Birth Place Coburg  Victoria

If you want more details on these, just ask  :D

Raylen

Edited to add registration numbers and place of death

Tuck-Baydon,Wiltshire
Woolford-Hampshire
Christie-Stirling

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 February 13 10:58 GMT (UK) »

There is also this death
William James died 1860 age 70 days
Birth Place Coburg

If you want more details on these, just ask  :D

Raylen

From the Victorian index-

LANDELLS William James
Father James
Mother Sarah SINGLETON
Age 70D
Birth Place:VICTORIA
Year: 1860
Reg Number 853

A small difference, but these things can be important sometimes :D
I cannot explain why your source/reference is different, Raylen, unless it is from a published tree somewhere.

Likewise typing in the index numbers is  often important and helpful for searchers as they may wish to purchase certificates in the long run and the numbers are the first step required in the purchase in Vic and there is a charge to view the numbers.

Sue


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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 February 13 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Raylen, thank you very much for going to the trouble of posting the details: I only had the children's births, not their married names (where applicable) or dates of death, so that's a big help. I see three of the males have no date of death, so presumably they died either elsewhere in Australia, or in another country. Also, I read somewhere that Pentridge was later renamed Coburg, but don't know whether this is correct, so I'd be happy to be enlightened.

While unearthing baptisms for Edward's children I came across an entry for the baptism of another Edward, in 1925,  to a John A. and Helen G LANDEL, of Douglas Road in Wynberg and wondered if this might be Edward's brother John D., mis-spelled. Unfortunately the sponsors don't appear to be family (unless they're the wife's relations) so there are no clues there.

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Re: Edward George LANDELLS - whose son is he?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 February 13 22:19 GMT (UK) »


Hi Geordie daughter,

I have added the registration numbers for the births I posted.
As Sue so rightly points out, these make the purchase of a
certificate easier.

William James died 1860 age 70 days
Birth Place Coburg
From the Victorian index-
LANDELLS William James
Father James
Mother Sarah SINGLETON
Age 70D
Birth Place:VICTORIA
Year: 1860
Reg Number 853
A small difference, but these things can be important sometimes :D
I cannot explain why your source/reference is different, Raylen, unless it is from a published tree somewhere.
Sue

No other source or reference Sue,  just my error  ::)

Raylen

Tuck-Baydon,Wiltshire
Woolford-Hampshire
Christie-Stirling