Blunt and Cartwright Family

[AlanWatson]

Some pages back, JJ mentioned some of the Waller family history quoting from an obituary and giving a link to one of the Burke publications.

I think that this Burke publication has a little more.

https://archive.org/stream/ageneralandhera00burkgoog#page/n589/mode/2up/search/waller

(Anne Waller b 1715 married John Allen. Their daughter Mary Allen married Joshua Phipps. They were parents of Jonathan Wathen Phipps, who changed his name to Jonathan Wathen Waller and become a baronet, and Mary Phipps, who as widow of Marcham or Marlham, married Thomas Blunt, chemist and son of Robert Blunt of the Bank of England.)


Alan

[AlanWatson]

If anyone is interested in the Phipps ancestors of this family, I made a post here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734230.new#new

and am getting marvellous help.

Alan

[AlanWatson]

The Waller family has been mentioned here. (Anne Waller married John Allen, their daughter Mary Allen married Robert Phipps; their daughter Mary Phipps, widowed from her first marriage to Marlham or Marcham, married Thomas Blunt son of Robert of the Bank of England.)

Anyway, there is a fairly complete pedigree of the Wallers here

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kitwithers/waller/waller.html

This largely draws on pedigrees of Buckinghamshire families available here

https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE4754979&

Alan

[AlanWatson]

Lots of really helpful stuff on the Phipps family in the thread the link to which was included above.

I have just made a post in the Hampshire section asking for info about the Blunts of Petersfield.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734543.new#new

Alan

[AlanWatson]

I have had an exceptionally helpful reply to my post on the Hampshire section about the Blunts of Petersfield which confirms Robert's ancestry going back a couple of generations, with lots of his uncles and cousins thrown in.

It also explains the Harffy mystery. Robert's mother, shown in the Petersfield marriage records as Barbara Beet, was really Barbara Brett, nee Wormell. She had a daughter Mary Brett by her first marriage who was obviously bought up with our Robert. Although she referred to Robert as her brother in law, he was her half brother.

See the post there for details.

Alan

PS I also think that I can trace Barbara Wormell back for a few generations.

[J.J.]

Alan, once there are researchers working on a project, no need to start another thread/ query  on the same subjects ....I gets too confusing and creates duplication of resource

 Of course out of the area, it may be necessary ....But then you absolutely must link back and forth, which also gets confusing and takes some time, but necessary....Easier for you to do it right away than for others to look about...
I know how hard these people work behind the scences and this is not their family...    J.J.

Here is the Harffy post  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733329.msg5801259#msg5801259
The Post on Robert Bank of England where the Harffy connectiion was solved
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734543.0

[AlanWatson]

Hi everyone,

JJ gave me a little information about the father of Sarah Browne, who married William Smith Blunt, son of Robert Blunt and Sarah Smith.

With a little digging, I think I have found the family, her parents were James Bardwell Browne and Bethia Porter.

It is the latter name, Porter, which really interests me. James Bardwell Browne and Bethia Porter married in Chesham, Bucks in 1797.

As you will remember, Sarah Smith was Robert Blunt's first wife; he married his second wife, Ann Porter in Chesham, Bucks in 1802. So it's completely possible that Bethia and Ann Porter were sisters.

I'm still very interested in finding Ann Porter's parents. I can see a tree on Ancestry which gives Bethia Porter's parents as William and Sarah, but with no sources, and I can't find information to support this.

I would be delighted if anyone else can do better than me.

Alan

[J.J.]

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gho/
Noting that children's mother was transcribed as Bithia on all the FHS transcripts. ( Sadly) Her name might also have been Elizabeth & her family nickname Bethia.

England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes has
a Bethiah Brown was buried March 1st 1787 Chesham, Buckinghamshire         
 
Bathia Brown death Dec 24 1818 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire ( Is this our Bethia (nee Porter? )
Bithiah Brown  buried 30 December 1818 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire   
mother: Sarah Brown 



Buckinghamshire Parish Registers Chesam marriages
https://archive.org/stream/buckinghamshirep08phil/buckinghamshirep08phil_djvu.txt
There may be more in the earlier marriages ( 1600s)  would have to look closer

Two older marriage are:
p. 52 Zachariah Hawks & Martha Porter... April 21st 1701

p. 74  Joseph Porter & Rebecca Dancer ... Feb 22 1735

Within 30 years of each other, these marriages, including the two we know of
p. 119 Jas. Bardwell Browne, of Berkhampstead, Bethia Porter, lic. ... July 4th 1797

*also Jas. Reynolds & Sarah Puddephat on page

p. 123  Robt. Blunt, w., p. St. George, Southwark, Anne Porter, lic. June 17 th 1802

p. 127   Saml. Porter & Sarah Ball, lic.  May 29th 1806
*Henry Benning & Eliza Renolds on page

p.129   Wm. Street & Mary Ann Porter, lic. Aug. 16 th 1808

p. 136  Robt. Wray, esq., p. St. Andrew, Holborn, & Eliza Porter, lic. March 31st 1817

*Now see that here are Reynolds galore and several Blunts in there as well...

[J.J.]

The IGI listing for HIGH STREET INDEPENDENT,CHESHAM,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND has more complete entries of birth and Christening dates for all the children of Jas B. Browne & Bethia (Porter)
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abrowne%20%2Bbatch_number%3AC089081

There is a fuller entry for the first child, Bithia of James & Bethia/Bithia
Chesham, Buckingham, England    Independent Church, High Street Chapel
Bithia Browne    father: James Browne  mother:Bithia
birth: 26 March 1798   
christening: 6 May 1798   
death: 7 November 1800

There is also this entry....In case Samuel might also be a sibling to Ann (nee Porter) Blunt
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VM-ZBN
Sarah Porter  Christening 21 July 1808 HIGH ST. IND.,CHESHAM, BUCKS
Father: Samuel Porter  Mother:  Sarah (Ball?)
Phooey, The Northampton Mercury news had just their names no parents!  Last week, at Chesham, Bucks, Mr. Samuel Porter, to Miss Sarah Ball ( at least we know she was single   )

another that might be theirs
 Samuel Parten ( might be Porter) Christening Date 16 Nov 1809 HIGH ST. IND.,CHESHAM, BUCKS
Birth Date 21 Oct 1809   Samuel Parten & Sarah



and looks as though Wm Street & Mary Ann Porter ended up in Ontario Canada
http://www.nflibrary.ca/nfplindex/show.asp?id=307415&b=1
adding: found more http://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Ann-Street/6000000003579217618
IF they have it all right...It says she was the daughter of - Rev Moses Porter, Son of Richard Porter and Rachael Porter