EDMONDS/HARMS Marriage lookup please *COMPLETED*

[ThommoS]

Hi,

Could sks please help me find the marriage details for:

Charlotte Sarah EDMONDS (chr 23 Apr 1845 at Guildford, Surrey)
married to
Henry HARMS (nothing else of him known so far)

Assume they were married in Surrey prior 1867 - even though I haven't been able to find it on IGI, did find some children:

Harry HARMS (Bap 7 Apr 1867 at Richmond, Surrey)
Annie Maria HARMS (abt 1869?)
Charlotte HARMS (abt 1868?)

Trying to find the marriage is a first step in finding out about Henry Harms, where he came from and his descendants some of whom ended up in Western Australia........any help to find the marriage would be greatly appreciated tks

Tom

[karenlee]

Hi

Marriage Register
St Stephen Coleman Street
City of London
4th March 1866

Henry HARMS of full age Bachelor Carpenter 38 Moorgate Street  Father = John HARMS Farmer

Charlotte Sarah EDMUNDS of full age Spinster of 34 Moorgate Street Father = Richard EDMUNDS Saddler

Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Alfred Wilkinson KAYE and Susan PAGE?

Cheers
Karenlee

[karenlee]

1871 Census England Surrey Woking
RG10/807/53/5
1 Church Street

HARMS
Henry Head Marr 26 Carpenter Journeyman Surrey Cobham
Charlotte Sarah Wife Marr 26 Carpenter's Wife Surrey Guildford
Harry Son Unmarr 4 Scholar Surrey Richmond
Lottie Dau Unmarr 3 Scholar Surrey Woking
Harriett Dau Unmarr 1mth Surrey Woking
Annie Maria Dau Unmarr 1 Surrey Woking
Jane TICKNER Serv? Unmarr 12 Nurse Girl Surrey Woking

Not sure what is going on with Harriett and Annie Maria but will see what I can find

I think that Harriett was aged 1 and Annie Maria aged 1mth

Cheers
Karenlee

[karenlee]

Maybe??

1861 Census England Surrey Pyreford
RG9/422/208/2
Warren Farm

HARMS
John Head Wid 52 Farmer of 65 Acres Empl 2 Labs Surrey Send
Jane Dau Unmarr 27 Farmer's Dau Surrey Cobham
Frederick Son Unmarr 18 Farmer's Son Surrey Cobham
Henry Son Unmarr 16 Farmer's Son Surrey Cobham
Arthur Son Unmarr 13 Scholar Surrey Pyrford
Alfred Son Unmarr 11 Scholar Surrey Pyrford
Sarah Dau Unmarr 9 Scholar Surrey Pyrford
Ann Dau Unmarr 7 Scholar Surrey Pyrford


1851 Census England Surrey Pyrford
HO107/1593/386/5

HARMS
John Head Marr 42 Farmer of 70 Acres Empl 1 Lab Surrey Send
Mary Wife Marr 38 Surrey Cobham
William Son Unmarr 15 Farmer's Son Surrey Cobham
Frederick Son Unmarr 8 Surrey Cobham
Henry Son Unmarr 6 Surrey Cobham
Arthur Son Unmarr 3 Surrey Pyrford
Alfred Son Unmarr 1 Surrey Pyrford

Karenlee

[karenlee]

Familysearch.org shows that on 24th April 1887, Henry and Charlotte Sarah HARMS baptised the following children at Fetcham Surrey..

Henry Arthur HARMS
Edith HARMS
George Edmunds HARMS
Edith HARMS

3rd May 1868 at Pyrford Surrey Baptism.. Lottie HARMS daughter of Henry and Charlotte Sarah HARMS

[ThommoS]

Karenlee

Thank you very much for your help - interesting how the surname spelling had changed from EDMUNDS to EDMONDS in the early 1900's.......appreciate your efforts............Tom

[lizdb]

Thank you very much for your help - interesting how the surname spelling had changed from EDMUNDS to EDMONDS in the early 1900's.......appreciate your efforts............Tom

That is nothing unusual!
Edmonds / Edmunds / and even Edmends  are very interchangeable up to that sort of time. Then different lines seem to settle on one spelling or another,  but even then are subject to mistranscription. Even as recent as about 10 years ago when my nephew married, definitely as Edmonds as that is the spelling our line has used for several generations, I find the entry in the GRO index is as Edmunds.
When doing any research I always use Edm*nds and really take little notice of the spelling!

[ThommoS]

A most sincere thanks to all for helping find the details I was after - really appreciated....
Tom

[dantemortem]

Tom, I have some information on this family. Charlotte Edmonds/Edmunds was my great grandfather's half sister by his father's first wife, Maria Kaye, who died young. Her aunt Jane Kaye Bonsey took her in (I think her two young sons had both died) and she also had Alfred Wilkinson Kaye, whose christening shows that his mother was Elizabeth Kaye. She married later, and must have given up her son to her sister as I don't see him in the census with her and her husband George Armstrong.  Charlotte was in a similar situation. Her father remarried and seems not to have taken his two children into his new marriage. Her younger brother, George (his birth seems to have been the occasion of his mother's death) was put out to nurse elsewhere.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=2016_edmunds&id=I26320&style=TEXT