Delaney..

[katy p]

Hi, i'm new here. my paternal line so far? grandad -  Charles Delaney-1898 co durham u k.Charles Delaney1872 co galway=Flora MCcardle 1873 Lennox town Scotland. Patrick Delaney 1840 Ire = Honor Hughes 1847 Ire 1st spouse James Murphy. John Delaney (farmer) = Mary Holland.How and when did  Charles (1872) arrive in the u k..His mother and father Patrick & Honor both died in Dumbarton Scotland, Honor also used Annie?  Any more info on John & Mary?  Am i on the right track there are so many Delaney's sometimes wonder if i have the right one's especially when they change thier names.. Thanks for any help. Katy P (Delaney).

[aghadowey]

Welcome to Rootschat, Katy. Ireland was part of the U.K. so there were no records kept of people travelling between Ireland and England, Scotland and Wales. One way to narrow down the date of moving is to check census records, noting places of birth/ages.

There seem to be several children born Galway with parents named Patrick Delaney/Honor Hughes listed in extracted Irish birth (www.familysearch.org). An extracted marriage gives fathers' names-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG82-5Y1
They did have a son Charles but in 1869 not 1872-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPBQ-SJG

To make sure you are tracing the correct family you will probably need to get some certificates and work back through other records (census, church, etc.).

[katy p]

Thanks, i have found Honor Hughes marriage to James Murphy june 1857 on familysearch  and it says on her death cert Dumbarton 1914 age 67 widow of first spouse James Murphy widow of second spouse Patrick Delaney ...The marriage said Omey Galway is Omey a town or parish that might have older records..The marriage to Patrick was 1867 i think..Patrick was a shipyard labourer.Hav'nt found them on any census yet.

[AnnyMurphy]

Katy P

Hi, hope this helps.

Honor's parents were Thomas Hughes and Hannah Docherty.
James' parents I haven't found.
Patrick's parents were John Delaney and Mary Holland.

Honor Hughes married James Murphy in c1852 and they had a son James Murphy. The elder James died and she remarried Patrick Delaney on 8th April 1864 in Galway. They had 3 children: Charles (b Ireland), Margaret (b Ireland) and Honor (b Ireland).
They came to Scotland with the three children.
Patrick died Died at 4 Hempshott or Henryshott Dumbarton in 1891; Honor in Dumbarton in 1914.

If you look at https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  Charles and Margaret are on the 1891 census in Dumbarton and  can't find Honor jnr; the death of her parents are there.
That's where I left the Delaney trail as Honor and James were my GGGrandparents and their son my GGrandfather.

James, my GGrandfather, married twice 1881 and 1888 in Dumbarton. A James Murphy is on the 1881 Scottish census so maybe he came first to work in the shipyards and everyone else followed?

[katy p]

Thank you I have been a bit lax in my research lately but you have piqued my interest again..i was trying to find more info on John and Mary..Patrick and Honor were my GG grandparents on the 1901 census my             
G grandad Charles is using the name Murphy living in Durham his wife and children are all listed as Murphy...would love to know why?Confused me for a while was i aMurphy or Delaney..

[katy p]

A thought just popped into my head as charles was the eldest child of Honor and Patrick could she have been pregnant when James died? could Patrick have known and just took him as his own? is this why he was using Murphy on the 1901 census? i really have to get back on the trail now. I also remember coming across a  Durham census where Honor was using the name Annie Murphy  i will go through my papers as soon as i can to check.

[AnnyMurphy]

From scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Charles Delaney married Flora McCardle in 1894 in Dumbarton (marriage certificate).

Charles and Lizzy Delaney witnessed James' 1888 marriage (marriage certificate).

Honor Delaney Gallacher witnessed her mother's death in 1914 in Dumbarton (death certificate).

1891 Census shows James Murphy, Mary and 3 children.
1901 census shows James Murphy and Mary (Conroy) and their family. They had 2 sons (his first marriage) and 4 daughters and 3 sons from their marriage. no Charles.

1891 Census show 4 Hempshott (Henry Shott) Dumbarton.
Delaneys: Patrick, Annie (wife) Charles (son), Margaret, Annie and a lodger.
This is where Patrick died, possibly Honor too.

1901 shows Ann Delaney and daughter Norah Gallacher at 4 Hempshott (Henry Shott) Dumbarton.

1929 GGrandfather James Murphy died at the age of 70, making his birth circa 1859 well before Honor remarried. (death certificate).

Appears that Honor, Annie and Ann were interchanged by census takers. All official documents I have found use Honor.

Honor Jnr was actually born in April 1879 in the Gorbals, Glasgow (birth certificate and 1891 census)

Cheers.