Elivia Waster from Mansfield Notts

[animet]

Hi

I'm still totally stuck with this one. And it's just my luck that this one hasn't been transcribed on freebmd yet.

The worst part is i have all the names of my GG Grandparents apart from her mother - the gap in my cascading pedigree is driving me potty!

Any ideas where I can go next?

Thanks

A

[Heather D]

Anita I think I've cracked it - or at least in part. You are going to have to suspend disbelief though and bear with me  as it's taken me hours and I'm still not sure what I've found

I think the GRO may have rejected your birth cert application because you specified her father as John Walster? Just a guess but I think her parents were not married and her father was John Green.

Anyway - here are some census details

1871 4522 137 15
8 St Thomas Row Leeds Bk Byron Street
John Green head 65 cylinder fitter Southwell
Olivia wife 50 Sutton
Walter son 21 moulder Mansfield
Olivia dau 17 Mansfield
Willoughby son 13 wire worker Barnsley
Thomas son 9 scholar Leeds

1861 RG9 3446 46 27
Barnsley
John Green head 55 grocer Notts Sutton
Olivia wife 44 Notts Sutton
Ann dau 20 Yorks Rotherham
John son 16 Notts Stamford
Walter son 9 Mansfield
Olivia dau 7 Mansfield
Willoughby son 3 Barnsley
Mary Jane dau 7 months Barnsley
Martha dau 7 months Barnsley

I cannot find a marriage for a John Green to an Olivia (or similar) anywhere in Notts or Yorkshire. However I find a couple of births

Walter Walster Mar 1852 Mansfield 7b 71
Martha and Mary Walster Sep 1860 Barnsley 9c 119

also a death that may be relevant although she doesn't appear on the census
Rebecca Green Walster Barnsley Sep 1856

What do you think? Heather

[Heather D]

More ...

I have been through every Walster entry on the Notts 1851 looking for a John who could be her father but no results.

Here are the Greens
HO107 2124 112 6
Leeming Street Mansfield
John Green head 45 coachman Notts Budby
Olivia Green wife 33 Sutton in Ashfield
Elizabeth dau 15 Barnby Moor
Mary dau 13 Caunton
Anne dau 8 Yorks Rotherham
William son 1 Sheffield

I think Olivia's "Sutton in Ashfield" is maybe misleading. If you told an enumerator in 1851 Mansfield you were born Notts Sutton, that is what would be assumed. I think she could well be the Olive Walster baptised at Sutton on trent 7 May 1822 to Thos  and Mary.

So where is little John from the 1861?
Maybe he is the John Walster visitor age 4, born Sutton on trent, who is living in the household of a George Birkitt in Weston 1851?

Heather

[animet]

Hi Heather

This does look very promising, and it all seems to fit together very well too. On her marriage certificate, it says that her father was a Business Proprietor, which fits in with the grocer thing. She called her son Walter too, which was not a family name on his father's side, but it would have been the name of her brother. And the places and dates all fit.

If it is, then I have my first unmarried couple in my tree.

I'm going to have another go at getting her birth certificate.

Thanks so much for taking the time to look into it for me. It's so true what they say about a fresh pair of eyes, and being able to think outside the box. So much for having a mensa iq!

Anita

[Heather D]

Hi Heather

(snip) It's so true what they say about a fresh pair of eyes, and being able to think outside the box. So much for having a mensa iq!

Anita

Indeed and you're welcome I have a few puzzles of my own - but I think sometimes we get bogged down in the detail!

By the way there are a couple of people on genesconnected who have Willoughby Green, though they list him as born 1860. Might be useful to compare notes?

Heather

[animet]

A little update in this one. I ordered a birth certificate for Olivia Walstow, as I couldn't find one for Elivia/Olivia Walster at all, never mind in the right time and place.

The address for the mother (who is recorded as Olivia Walstow)was Leeming Street  (as in the census information) and the field for the father has been left blank, so I think i have my girl

Anita