I only did my recent post re the nz birth certificate information as a closure on this post. But if people think they can find anything further then the relevant info is on page one. But to sum up. John Butlers parents were William Butler and Bridget McMahon from County Clare. John was born (from nz records) circa 1862 thru to 1864. Both his marriage and death certificate indicated his parents were married and that William was a labourer. I now feel that these were lies, as opposed to saying Mum was a bed warmer to a 76 year old widower (wife died in1857) ,also the local landlord. There were 5 generations of William Butlers at Buna how. (the gap is because my tablet is determined to turn it into bungalow) From the Crusheen (nearest town) records there were John born in 1860 and Bridget born in 1865 , both illegitimate and William a gentleman from Buna how..The Butler estate covered all of Buna how and even stretched into Galway. iIn 1860 and 1865 Williams II and IV were alive but the bapt record for John says it was William Senior. I have read that William Butler (probably Number one) still practiced the feudal custom that brides were sent up to the main house for their wedding night indicating a feudal mind set of the Butler men even in the 1800's
. In 1860 numbers ll and IV were alive
