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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #9 on: Monday 18 March 13 16:25 GMT (UK) »

I think the only way to proceed is to send for Evelyn's birth certificate and see who the father is.


Be aware that because (so far as we know) they were still lawfully married, the presumption in law would be that Arthur was the father of Hannah's children and he is likely to be recorded as such.  If so that is not proof that he was the natural father.

Nevertheless, the birth certificate may give you something more to go on in identifying Arthur.
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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #10 on: Monday 18 March 13 21:06 GMT (UK) »
What occupation did he give on the marriage certificate?

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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 19 March 13 06:03 GMT (UK) »
He says he was a book keeper. This doesn't quite fit with wine taster (as per suggestion from 1881 census), but a lot can happen in 9 years.
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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 06:06 GMT (UK) »
I've had a look at the 1881 census for Arthur S J M Fry living in Hargrave Rd, Islington as suggested by Ray and think it could be him. I think I found his family in the 1861 census where is father is named as John (which is the father's name on Arthur's marriage certificate) but Arthur's year of birth is given as 1851, whereas it is deduced as 1844 on the marriage certificate. I realise people do lie about their age!
But I'm still curious about the residence of BOTH of them at the time of marriage in 1872. If it is 55 Westbourne St, Islington (not Pimlico) is there any way of looking at that address in 1871 (a year before the marriage) to see who lived there?
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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 06:52 GMT (UK) »
That address will only be where they declared they were living for the required qualifying period before the marriage - 3 weeks.
It isn't necessarily where they were living?! :o

Even today, its still 3 weeks if banns are to be called; just 7 nights for a civil wedding!

I have been married twice, and on both occasions only lived at the declared address for the required time! ;D
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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 07:17 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I appreciate that. I was just curious in case it had belonged to a family member. But I guess it would have been a lodging house. Why were they both there if Arthur had a home nearby? There was no Fry as a witness at the wedding so I can only assume his family either didn't know or disapproved. But she did have her brother as a witness. The friend I am researching for thinks there may have been a connection with the Fry chocolate people but so far I've not found it.
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I've just found it. In 1871 it was uninhabited!

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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 08:02 GMT (UK) »
The Fry chocolate family were Quakers, and lived in the Bristol area!
The factory was in Union Street, Bristol for many years.

Joseph Storrs Fry was the chairman from 1795 until 1835.
Sons Joseph, Francis & Richard were also involved in the business.

Joseph Storrs Fry II, grandson of Joseph Storrs Fry, took over the company in 1878.
When he died, in 1913, his estate passed to his 37 nephews & nieces!

So, a link is possible! ;D
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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 08:10 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that. I am going to explore that avenue next, but think a connection unlikely.
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Re: 55 Westbourne Rd, Pimlico
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 20 March 13 08:33 GMT (UK) »
May I suggest that you start here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry_family

Lots of information; lots of names! ;D
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