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Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« on: Saturday 23 March 13 14:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Welsh Researchers

My good lady would appreciate some help in furthering her research by finding information on Winifred Bowen of Presteigne (born 1884) and who married a Henry Lister of Presteigne (born 1881) at Presteigne in June 1904.
According to their marraige certificate her father is listed as Thomas Bowen, Farm Labourer.
She can not find either Winifred or her father Thomas on the 1891 census for England or Wales when she would have been about 6 years old - but has got her on the 1901 aged 16, and a domestic servant - but no sign of Thomas.
Can anyone help me put this family together properly please

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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 23 March 13 17:37 GMT (UK) »
Presteigne came under the Knighton RD at that time but the only birth was in Kington which spans the boundaries of Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester and Radnorshire

Did she have a middle christian name?

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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 March 13 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Tell your wife to look at Winifred's  birthplace on the 1911 entry and then look at the 1891 entry for Thomas Bannen b 1852 Dangnuttaw, Radnorshire

Living in Willey Herefordshire in 1891 and indexed on Ancestry as Winniefred Davia

Here's the ref  RG12 Piece 2078 Folio 34 Page 7

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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 March 13 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Note that Charlotte's birthplace in 1891 is shown as Dalley/Dolley

I think this is them in Radnor in 1881 living in Dolley Green

RG11 Piece 5471 Folio 47 Page 28

What's puzzling is that 1891 shows Jane as a servant and Thomas a widower but 1881 as a married couple.  Also - Thomas shown as b Clun Shropshire
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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 March 13 18:25 GMT (UK) »

Marriages June qtr 1873  Thomas Bowen   Knighton  11b 247

Jane Higgs on same page
 
Marriages March qtr 1892 Thomas Bowen Knighton  11b 167
Jane Davies on same page

Thinking of the RD for Winifred's possible birth

Deaths December qtr 1887 
Jane Bowen aged 35 Kington  6a 372
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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 23 March 13 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carol

Thanks me duck for trying to help my good lady tie up her welsh ancestors.

You have me a bit confused now though as I do not have Ancestry, but Find my Past and on that site there is not a Thomas Bannen b 1852 Dangnuttaw, Radnorshire or Living in Willey Herefordshire in 1891 and indexed on Ancestry as Winniefred Davia???

But thanks for that census reference because on FindMyPast we had Thomas Bowen and Winifred Davies - was the ancestry entry a bad transcription do you think??

You reference to the marriage of Thomas to Jane Higgs in 1873 and then Jane davis in 1892 sounds very plausible and we have 3 children from 1884 which would presumably come from that first wife - I think she would die before he married a second wife to look after three young children including Winifred in 1884 - one big problem there is that i can only find one death for a Jane Bowen in Knighton in the 1880's but she was aged 69 - far to old to have kids

What are your thoughts

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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 March 13 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Dangnuttaw = Llangunllo ?

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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 March 13 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Chris

I have replied to your pm with full 1891 details

Did you miss this bit re: the first Jane's death

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Thinking of the RD for Winifred's possible birth

Deaths December qtr 1887 
Jane Bowen aged 35 Kington  6a 372
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Re: Lister / Bowen of Presteign
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 24 March 13 11:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carol

Thanks for the 1891 via private message, but, thanks to you providing the reference we had managed to find it on FindMyPast.

As regards the death of the first Jane, yes, we had seen it but had dismissed it as being not relevant (Kington is not Knighton)  - should have looked at the map and realized that kington is a town near presteign - what thick heads!!!

Thanks so much Carol, your help is much appreciated

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