hallmark just read that now but don't see a Scottish link
so I found this
Hi Simon, I am researching the McGruther name in Scotland.I hope what little I have on the Irish connection is of help to you.
The McGruder/McGruther etc name goes back to the 14th century in the Scottish records.They originally lived near Crieff on the land of the Drummonds, the Dukes of Perth where they were servants, chamberlains, tenants and latterly minor landholders in their own right.When the Drummonds said 'Jump', they jumped!
About 1600 - 1625 the Drummonds were amongst several Scottish nobility given the opportunity to settle dependants in the North of Ireland in County Monaghan and nearby.These servants, who were Episcopalians, were offered parcels of land of their own and thus given the opportunity to move from being tenants in Scotland to being landowners in their own right in Ireland.
I believe it highly probable ( I have not found records) that the McGruders were either pleased to take up this chance or coerced into it, and the name has since developed into McGrother in Ireland, just as it has become McGrouther, McGrewther, and McGruther etc in Scotland and Magruder in USA.
If you want to look for your immediate Irish ancestors, try County Monaghan.
Regards, Don
so don that's not what I have on record
what I have is that
in the early 1600s after queen Elizabeth died aka kinsale king james took over and he did request
About 1600 - 1625 the Drummonds were amongst several Scottish nobility given the opportunity to settle dependants in the North of Ireland in County Monaghan and nearby.These servants, who were Episcopalians, were offered parcels of land of their own and thus given the the opportunity to move from being tenants in Scotland to being landowners in their own right in Ireland.
They originally lived near Crieff on the land of the Drummonds, the Dukes of Perth where they were servants, chamberlains, tenants and latterly minor landholders in their own right.When the Drummonds said 'Jump', they jumped!
but don when they jumped they jumped to tyrone where john drummon from perth Scotland an undertaker took lands and if they went with him they settled 1600 1630s in tyrone
because colonel blayney and the earl of Essex had settled monaghan well before john Drummond got to tyrone and hallmark has given the list above but still I am to discover if its a welsh jig crossover to monaghan or if its a cross dycher over to tyrone so reeling on
1697 1697 The majority of Scots who migrated to Northern Ireland came as part of this organized settlement scheme of 1605-1697. Plantation settlements were confined to the Province of Old Ulster, in the Counties of Antrim, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal, Cavan, Fermanagh, and Londonderry. As many as 200,000 Scots crossed the North Channel to settle in Ulster in this approximately 90 year period. County Monaghan, although part of Old Ulster was not a Plantation county but it did receive Scots settlers in the 17th century as witness the First Monaghan Presbyterian Church in Monaghan Town which celebrated its Tercentenary in 1997. 1997-1897-1797-1697 300 years The Plantation of Ulster took place in two stages. The first stage was confined to the two eastern counties of Antrim and Down. The initiative was taken by Scottish fortune seekers.
but don further to confuse the issue
from the census 1901 1911 mcgruthers mcgrothers McGruder are to be found antrim down Dublin louth monaghan Westmeath
so maybe simons mcgrother connection may take him to monaghan where an Edward mcgrother was born circa 1861 but there again maybe antrim down Dublin louth and Westmeath might also be his link
Hi all
my surname is McGrother.
My family is from the north east of England, back to about 1860 when James and Catherine McGrother (still the same spelling), with a son Bernard, moved from Ireland to Middlesbrough.
Prior to that the trail goes cold. There were 2 other McGrother families in Middlesbrough at the 1881 census: Peter&Bridget with 7 kids and Mary with 2 daughters.
I do not know if my own family linked with these other 2, but all of Peter, Bridget and Mary were also born in Ireland, so it seems plausible they moved en masse.
My questions:
(a) does anyone know how to trace James, Catherine, etc back to Ireland? Where they came from? Their ancestors?
(b) Does anyone have a McGruther/McGruder/etc line that comes to a dead end in mid 19th century? Could be a name change to my line perhaps?
Thanks in advance
so as I cant message simon mcgrother to inform him of the above if you don happen to know his contact details you could contact him that's if he has not already accessed the above information