Adelina SIBLEY of Bodmin

[JaneyCanuck]

Just to note the source of Simon Libby Sibly's name:

1802 marriage St Teath, Joseph Sibly + Susanna Libby, with one of the witnesses Simon Libby, her father?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=932911

His baptism record actually seems to say Simion Libby Sibly there. He and the Joseph who travelled at the same time were brothers.

I'm really just sticking my beak in because I'm a Sibly of St Cleer, way back. St Teath seems to favour the Sibley spelling, while St Cleer went for Sibly. ... However, the births to Joseph and Susanna 1803-1826 were all recorded as Sibly in the baptisms, with the Sibley spelling starting with the baptisms to Joseph (presumably the son of the first couple, baptised 1823) and Susan (Oliver) that began in 1845. (The easy way to find all spellings at the OPC site is just to search for surname SIB.)


As for the main question, I would wonder whether Adelina did register as a passenger and then decide to marry instead! Or she went, and turned around and went back home and got married. (Anc'y only has incoming passengers from 1878 onward; I don't know whether there are any other resources for that.) Was 8 weeks enough time for that??

http://www.genealogysa.org.au doesn't show a marriage or death for her as Sibly or Sibley.
(Simon apparently had two children named for himself who died, the one born at sea who died as Sibly in 1857 and one who was born and died as Sibley in 1860, and there are Simon Libby Sibly deaths in 1885, probably the 1826 Simon, and 1908, likely the one who married in 1879.)

[JaneyCanuck]

It's interesting that Mary Sibley in 1851 is shown as born in Bridport Dorset (mistranscribed at Anc'y as Devon). There are quite a few Sibleys in Dorset in the 1841 census, e.g., including a Harriett c1791 in Bridport. I wonder whether Richard Sibley, father of Adelina, was not from Cornwall at all? There is no marriage for the couple in the records at the OPC site, and no other baptisms of children.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX32-78V
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVGY-3NT
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X8HN-GNG

Marriage 1815 Bridport:
Richard Sibly + Mary Parnick Richards

That batch
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20&query=+batch_number:M15816-1
shows 7 other Sibley marriages in Bridport.

And Richard and Mary had other children there:
Rebecca 1818 (Presbyterian)
Richard 1820 baptised 1821 (Presbyterian) buried 1822
Richard 1826 buried 1826

Rebecca Sibley married Richard Bray in St Teath in 1839 -- father's name Richard, stationer, her residence Medrose:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=913647

and sure enough, Rebecca Bray, born c1820 in Bridport (mistranscribed by Anc'y as Bridford) is in St Teath in 1851.

So the question is where Richard Sibly, father of Adelina and Rebecca, hailed from originally.

[giblet]

Just posting a thread from the Australian forum on the same family incase it helps any

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646613.0.html

[KGarrad]

Marriage 1815 Bridport:
Richard Sibly + Mary Parnick Richards

Which fits with that 1841 census I found?!
Where Delina (Adelina?) could be with her grandmother, Elizabeth Rickard/Richard.

[nudge67]

8 weeks is not enough time. The Hooghly took 104 days to reach Australia, a fairly typical sailing time back in the 1850's. Of the 20 sailing ships my ancestors arrived on between 1856 and 1857, the fastest journey was 90 days. and I understand the return trip took longer.

I wonder, is it possible Joseph is a nephew of Richard, with Adelina being his cousin?

[JaneyCanuck]

Which fits with that 1841 census I found?!
Where Delina (Adelina?) could be with her grandmother, Elizabeth Rickard/Richard.

Which I meant to say and forgot.

8 weeks is not enough time. The Hooghly took 104 days to reach Australia, a fairly typical sailing time back in the 1850's. Of the 20 sailing ships my ancestors arrived on between 1856 and 1857, the fastest journey was 90 days. and I understand the return trip took longer.

I wonder, is it possible Joseph is a nephew of Richard, with Adelina being his cousin?

That's what I figured about the trip, even if she had just stayed on board and gone home.

For Joseph to be a nephew of Richard, Richard would have to be a brother of Joseph Sr.
Mary Parnick Richards Sibly was 52 in 1851 = c1799 (but married in 1815 so maybe a little older).
So Richard would likely have been about the same age.
Joseph father of Joseph married in 1802, so was likely born c1880 (neither he nor wife Susannah seems to be in a census).

Can't find baptism records for either Joseph or Richard -- there are Richard baptisms in Blisland Cornwall in 1782 and 1791, but no way to connect them.

Where was Mary Parnick Richards Sibly in 1841?? Possibly Richard was with her.

In the GRO index there are Richard Sibly deaths in Bodmin reg dist in 1838, 1842 and 1843, which match up with Richard Sibl* deaths in the OPC database -- all in Lanivet, 2 infants and the 1843 aged 70, not likely him. (The one in 1847 in St Cleer aged 72 was my grx3 grandparent's brother ... who 48 trees at Anc'y claim was born in Tennessee. ) The one in 1832 in St Cleer was aged 22.

Oh duh. Richard died in 1835 in Bodmin, aged 51 -- the residence is St Nicholas Street.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1384365
So he was born c1784.

And as fate would have it ... Joseph Sr died in 1834 in St Teath, also aged 51, residence Pengelly.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=772932
His wife Susanna died 1840 St Teath aged 52.


nudge67 - it could help to know which people your interest is in -- the Joseph and Simon and families who were on the same ship as Adelina (allegedly) was?

[KGarrad]

Oh duh. Richard died in 1835 in Bodmin, aged 51 -- the residence is St Nicholas Street.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1384365
So he was born c1784.

That address sound familiar?!

I have been in contact with Cornwall OPC re Adelina Lilly baptism.
The aren't 100% convinced it should read Sibly, but have agreed to mark it "Sibly?".

And maybe, just maybe, Adelina didn't take that ship, but her name wasn't crossed out?
Is there any documentation of her life in Australia?

[JaneyCanuck]

That address sound familiar?!

I have been in contact with Cornwall OPC re Adelina Lilly baptism.
The aren't 100% convinced it should read Sibly, but have agreed to mark it "Sibly?".

And maybe, just maybe, Adelina didn't take that ship, but her name wasn't crossed out?
Is there any documentation of her life in Australia?

That's what I meant about the address, oh duh.

I don't see that Adelina Lilly baptism at the OPC site - ?

Adelina SIBLY? [sic] 1833 (Richard and Mary):
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3074658
- edit - I get it - by the time I looked they had already done that! and removed the Lilly entry I guess.
Adelina SIBLEY 1854 (Joseph and Susan):
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=2868137

And I agreed, that's the most likely explanation too -- that she changed her mind and didn't go.
But nudge67 has referred to a record of her arriving - ?
Searching the SA records available, there was no record of marriage or death (and the search engine doesn't allow for things like searching by mother's name, to find children). But then she could have moved on to somewhere else ...

[KGarrad]

Looks like it's been changed already! That was quick!!

See post #8?