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What became of John Edward Roberts?
« on: Friday 24 May 13 16:26 BST (UK) »
I have had good fortune on the site before so here goes... ;D
My grandfather was John Edward Roberts born 25 November 1879 in Trevor near Llangollen, Wales.
His father was Elias Roberts and mother Winifred (nee Jones).
John married my grandmother ( Annie Jones from Llanrwst) on 29 July 1911.
They had four children, Doris, Phyllis (my mother) John also known as Jack and the youngest was Elizabeth.  Elizabeth was born in Llanrwst  18 November 1926 and John Edward Roberts registered her birth.
Thereafter nothing is known of him!  Family rumours have him moving to Liverpool, or joining the merchant navy jumping ship in Canada.  Many years of searching and many avenues have been explored without luck.    My grandmother (Annie) remarried in 1953 stating she was a widow at the time.   She married secretly to the man I always thought was my grandfather but this proved not to have been the case and she died the following year 1954.  Alas there is no one in the family still alive who may have known what became of him.   Are there any 'RootsChat - ers' who might be able to shed some light into his fate?

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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 May 13 21:52 BST (UK) »
Have you checked out the John Edward Roberts who died at sea on 28 Aug 1938 aged 59, on board the SS City of Adelaide?

Probate records indicate that he lived at 8 Handfield Road, Waterloo near Liverpool.  Probate was granted to Nora Louise Cunliffe and Mary Winifred Owens

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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 May 13 22:21 BST (UK) »
It could be a coincidence but there is a probate record for John Edward Roberts of Abbey Square Llangollen who died 11th August 1927 with administration granted to Annie Roberts(widow).

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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 May 13 23:38 BST (UK) »
It could be a coincidence but there is a probate record for John Edward Roberts of Abbey Square Llangollen who died 11th August 1927 with administration granted to Annie Roberts(widow).

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He is given as born c 1862.

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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 May 13 07:13 BST (UK) »
Hi

There's an online tree which includes John Edward Roberts, son of Elias and Winifred and born 25 Nov 1879, Trevor, Llangollen.

He is recorded as a Railway worker, dying in Chirk (at 5 Charles Street, which is the Rhosywaun part of Chirk) on 25 April 1946. He married a Beatrice Murrow on 15 Oct 1907 in Penzance,  and they had 6 children. The tree contains a photo of him.

This tree can be viewed via Mundia - http://www.mundia.com/gb/

He is also recorded here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X726-6N5

There are a number of John Edward Roberts, born circa 1880,  included in online trees. It might be worth rechecking the information that you have. 

What is his occupation on Elizabeth's birth certificate and/or the marriage cert of 1911?

The GRO Marriage index records him as just John:

Sept q,  1911, St Asaph, 11b 538  (a civil marriage so no online records)




Gadget

PS - the marriage certificate should give the name and occupation of his father as a further check
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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 May 13 14:15 BST (UK) »
Just to confirm that there is a railway employment record that fully reflects the Mundia tree,giving precise birth date,first employment in Llangollen in 1900 and last recorded transfer to Oswestry in 1909.

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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 May 13 14:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks Roger and all who replied.  Further exploration based on the information provided have led me to deduce that I have been traveling up one of those family history research ' blind alleys '.
Check out census records for 1871, 1881, 1891  and 1901 for Ellen Roberts born 1871 in Denbigh father Elias mother Mary ........ Note the wild variance in the ages for Elias!   This is the family that are the parents and siblings of 'my'. John Roberts.
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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 May 13 16:44 BST (UK) »


Hi

There's an online tree which includes John Edward Roberts, son of Elias and Winifred and born 25 Nov 1879, Trevor, Llangollen.

He is recorded as a Railway worker, dying in Chirk (at 5 Charles Street, which is the Rhosywaun part of Chirk) on 25 April 1946. He married a Beatrice Murrow on 15 Oct 1907 in Penzance,  and they had 6 children. The tree contains a photo of him.

This tree can be viewed via Mundia - http://www.mundia.com/gb/

He is also recorded here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X726-6N5

There are a number of John Edward Roberts, born circa 1880,  included in online trees. It might be worth rechecking the information that you have. 

What is his occupation on Elizabeth's birth certificate and/or the marriage cert of 1911?

The GRO Marriage index records him as just John:

Sept q,  1911, St Asaph, 11b 538  (a civil marriage so no online records)




Gadget

PS - the marriage certificate should give the name and occupation of his father as a further check

H Peter,

Just for curiosity, have you got the marriage certificate which Gadget mentioned above ?

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Re: What became of John Edward Roberts?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 May 13 19:31 BST (UK) »



Also, have you noticed this :

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ43-SYW

The above John Edward Roberts was born in Trevor and the person you mentioned at the start of your thread, with parents Elias and Winifred. Later evidence confirms this is the person who married Beatrice Murrow, in 1907.


He is also recorded here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X726-6N5

Gadget


Kind regards,

Pels.
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