Charles Jones

[sparrett]

Hmm. They like to make things difficult.

In New Zealand. Ref # 1866/6589 Margaret Janes Married Thomas  Lowe.

Neil

Reply #8 Page 1

Sue

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Margaret's mother Ann, brother William, his wife Eliza & two of their daughters are buried together at Rookwood:

Section: Old Wesleyan
Portion: 4A
Row: 122

TALLENTIRE Ann 21 Aug 1871 90y w/George; mother   
TALLENTIRE William 12 Apr 1917 87y son/George & Ann; h/Eliza; father
TALLENTIRE Eliza 23 Feb 1909 71y née Holmes; dau/Thomas S & Eliza; w/William; mother   
TALLENTIRE Jessie May 1 Aug 1876-21 Nov 1876 dau/William & Eliza; gdau   
TALLENTIRE Emily Agnes 19 Jan 1863-3 Mar 1878 dau/William & Eliza; gdau   

Photo of the grave here:

http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=8625646

[majm]

The NZ marriage-

Yr1866 REG 6589 Margaret  Janes (sic)
To  Thomas  Lowe

Sue

I think that marriage was 1st or 2nd December 1866.    I think NZ marriage certs are usually best ordered as printouts, however I am not exactly sure if the early ones will have lots of information on them.    Perhaps the OP should check the NZ resources page ..... I don't know when NZ records for ITMs commence but I do know these are quite informative, and thus could well give information as to WHEN and WHERE Margaret JANES became a widow (or if she was noted as a widow) .... 

From hardcopy of various directories for Sydney NSW ...
1863 Thomas James LOW, mariner, Edward St, Balmain
1864 Thos Jas LOW, mariner, Edward St, Balmain
1867 Thomas J LOWE, mariner, Duke St, Balmain
1869 Thomas LOW, Duke St, Balmain

I am wondering IF that NZ marriage is for Annie Elizabeth JONES mum .....

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Further sightings IN CASE it is for the second husband of Margaret formerly JONES, nee TALLENTIRE.

Directories:
1871 Thomas J LOWE (Rose & Co) Brougham St, GLEBE
1873 T J LOWE, provedore, Brougham St, GLEBE
1877 Thomas J LOWE, master Mariner, Brougham St, GLEBE

1870 NSW Electoral Roll GLEBE
Thomas James LOWE, householder, Duke St, BALMAIN

1878 NSW Electoral Roll GLEBE
Thomas J LOWE, freehold, House, Brougham St, GLEBE

Annie Elizabeth JONES, daughter of Charles and Margaret JONES, married a chap (in 1866) who was NOT born a British Subject, so if he is found on electoral rolls either in NZ or in any of the Australian colonies, it would be sensible to search for his naturalisation papers as they will give further info (name of ship of arrival, date and place of birth, length of time in each colony, when and where married, naming wife, children, addresses, occupation etc)

Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

I am wondering IF that NZ marriage is for Annie Elizabeth JONES mum .....

The funeral notice (Reply #10) shows correct names for the track we are on.

Annie was married earlier in 1866 in Australia, and from your finding JM, MARGERET later in the year.

From your pre-1866 address listings there JM, it is possible THOMAS was a friend or neighbour in the same suburb in Sydney and everyone went to NZ where they married.

I wonder what is the proximity of DUKE STREET to EDWARD STREET

Sue

[majm]

Well, errr .... late 1960s early 1970s DUKE St definitely was a laneway, very narrow, I know that because I resided at 13 Duke St !   My flat was UPSTAIRS ... tiny cubby it was , but I don't remember there being an Edward St then....  I will get the hardcopy suburban dir out for the 19thC and see if that 100 years difference with sort it out

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Yes, there still was an Edward St in 1892 (Sands Sydney Suburban)
Edward St  ran from Fence (no, not a street, but a fence somewhere about “there” … see Little Edward and William st entries below) to Johnston’s Bay.   Edward St  cross streets were:  William and Little Edward Streets, and of course the residents occupations (in Edward St) include: 1 x shipwright, 2 x boatbuilder, 1 x engineer, 2 x mariner, 1 x ship builder (only 18 households).       
Little Edward Street, six households, …..1 boatbuilder, 1 master mariner
William Street ran from Darling Harbour to Johnson St and most were shipbuilders or otherwise “marine”


Cheers,  JM 

[majm]

Looks like A.B. Hiram PIERCE was crew on the Templar into Sydney July 1863 from New York.... he was aged 25, American. 

 http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/

"Charles Jones is my 4th Great Grandfather so I am very curious to find out anything about him and his family especially any information anyone has on his daughter Annie who married Hiram Emery Pierce who I think was a mariner from America and appears to have come out here during the American Civil war which makes me wonder why? Cheers DPaton"

 
Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

There is some online evidence (which I have not followed up) that HIRAM was born in America.

During the time  he and ANNIE  were in NZ they had about five children.

The last was in 1879.

They returned to Australia.

MARGARET seems to have been back by 1867 if she was with husband THOMAS LOWE.
(This is according to the addresses and years given by JM which of course may not be "up to date" in their accuracy. People often forgot to withdraw their names from directories then -as now!)

Sue