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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 13 June 13 09:03 BST (UK) »
NB Just to be completely clear and as you have probably seen, Elizabeth HEINS was not resident at the Turnpike Gate in 1861.  That address appears on the previous page and (perhaps unsurprisingly) is occupied by the toll gate proprietor, one James BAKER.

The ensuing addresses are not given, but Elizabeth is enumerated 10 households after the Turnpike Gate so it's likely she was near the Turnpike Gate, in the hamlet of Woburn Sands.

You may be able to find some of her 1861 neighbours in the 1851 census to get a feel for where you'd expect to find her if she (and they) hadn't moved.

One more thing: I shouldn't have said that HINS was a mistranscription in the 1861 information kindly provided by Cathy. On the enumerator's return what at first sight appears as HEINS may well in fact be HINS (with a very curly H). The enumerator has also given a very curly H to a HIGGINS further up the page (and to "Head" of household several times).  Sorry Cathy :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 13 June 13 09:08 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Have just found a christening on www.familysearch.org

26 June 1842 Wavendon
Elizabeth Heens
Parents William and Mary

Cathy :)
Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 13 June 13 09:15 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Have just found a christening on www.familysearch.org

26 June 1842 Wavendon
Elizabeth Heens
Parents William and Mary

Cathy :)

Great find :)

Seems she had a sister Susan:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7M7-96F
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 13 June 13 09:17 BST (UK) »
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 13 June 13 09:26 BST (UK) »


  Hi

 There is a tree that gives a marriage of William Heens to Mary Ambridge in Newport Pagnell QT4 in 1841. Mary the daughter of Thomas Ambridge and Susan Wright. Susan 1793-1838 and Thomas 1800-1874. So some more dates to work with.

Tazzie
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 13 June 13 09:50 BST (UK) »
Possible death for William:

Death, Jun qtr 1849

William HINES

Newport Pagnell 6 285
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 16 June 13 06:49 BST (UK) »
I browsed through the 1851 census of Woburn Sands for you and came up with a blank.

I also found this helpful transcription;

http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/wsc/docs/1851censusbucks.html

...and still came up with a blank!

So either she was elsewhere in 1851 or she's there in disguise - perhaps under a stepfather's surname? (Or of course it's possible she's been missed off altogether).

The marriage certificate I think will be indispensable for you, yielding as it should the name and occupation of her father. (NB as you probably know the death certificate will not include this information).

Thanks avm - appreciate that very much. I think I shall have to obtain the marriage as a priority over the death then.
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 16 June 13 06:53 BST (UK) »
NB Just to be completely clear and as you have probably seen, Elizabeth HEINS was not resident at the Turnpike Gate in 1861.  That address appears on the previous page and (perhaps unsurprisingly) is occupied by the toll gate proprietor, one James BAKER.

The ensuing addresses are not given, but Elizabeth is enumerated 10 households after the Turnpike Gate so it's likely she was near the Turnpike Gate, in the hamlet of Woburn Sands.

You may be able to find some of her 1861 neighbours in the 1851 census to get a feel for where you'd expect to find her if she (and they) hadn't moved.

One more thing: I shouldn't have said that HINS was a mistranscription in the 1861 information kindly provided by Cathy. On the enumerator's return what at first sight appears as HEINS may well in fact be HINS (with a very curly H). The enumerator has also given a very curly H to a HIGGINS further up the page (and to "Head" of household several times).  Sorry Cathy :)

Ahh, yes, that of course does make sense - and I can totally see what you mean about the "curly H", thanks for that, I think I shall take that 1861 census as being for my Elizabeth and keep moving "backwards" for more. Yes, following neighbours may indeed help.
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's

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Re: Looking for conformation of surname and parents
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 16 June 13 06:57 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Have just found a christening on www.familysearch.org

26 June 1842 Wavendon
Elizabeth Heens
Parents William and Mary

Cathy :)

Great find :)

Seems she had a sister Susan:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7M7-96F

Oh wonderful - and yes, that would be a very acceptable alternate spelling of the surname.
Thanks Cathy & avm - appreciate it, a new avenue to follow
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's