Ernest Fleming

[trish627]

My grandfather was born in 1892 in Ontario Canada. The only information from his early years is that in the 1901 Canada census, he was living with his grandparents James and Elizabeth Fleming in Bothwell, Zone, Canada.  I can't find anywhere who is parents are.  I am assuming that one of the daughters of James and Elizabeth had him out of wedlock?  Can anyone help?

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Found this on FamilySearch.org     

Ernest FLEMMING, born 20 September 1893, Kingston, Ontario.
Father: William Flemming     Mother: Margaret Fitzgibbons.


Nanny Jan

[trish627]

Hi Nanny Jan...........I don't think that's my Ernest Fleming.  His birth date is April 23, 1892.  His death certificate has father is James Fleming and mother is Elsie Graig.  This could have been fudged as a lot of his papers over the years changed, but I'm sure of the birthdate.  Thx, Trish

[valeriec]

I went to
http://automatedgenealogy.com
to check the 1901 and 1911 census
1901/Ontario/Bothwell/Bothwell Town
Household 53
Flemming, James, head, b. Jun 18, 1832, age 69, bootmaker
Elizabeth, wife, b. Jun 1, 1841, age 59
Louise J, daughter, b.Jan 4, 1871, age 30
Frank, son, b. Sep 19, 1880, age 20
Ernest, grandson, s. Apr 23, 1892, age 9

1911/Ontario/Kent East/Bothwell
Fleming, Frank b. Sept 1879
elizabeth, mother, widow, b. June 1841
Mary, sister, b. 1860

decided to go backwards and checked the census at Library and Archives Canada
1891/Ontario/Bothwell, Bothwell Town
Flemming, James, age 54
Elizabeth, age 46
Eddie, son, age 21
Minnie, daughter, age 17 (this could be Louise Jane)
Frank, son, age 11

1881/Ontario/Bothwell/
Flemming, James, age 46
Elizabeth, age 37
Robert, age 19
Edward, age 9
Louise Jane, age 6
Frank H., age 2

1871, Ontario, Bothwell Town, Bothwell 003
Fleming, Jams, age 29
Elizabeth, age 26
Margaret, age 3
Mary, age 3 months

This is as far back as I can access the census. If you look at the children and then try to track them all through the various census, the most likely parent for Ernest would be sons Robert or Edward or daughter Louise Jane. At least this gives you names to work with.

[valeriec]

Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid
http://ocfa.islandnet.com
Fleming/West Bothwell/Kent/Zone/Kt-289-X
Contributing organziation
Kent County Branch OGS
P. O. box 964
Chatham, Ontario
N7M 5L3

They may be able to give you the dates of death for members of the family and in that way eliminate possible parent for Ernest.

[valeriec]

went to
www.familysearch.org
Elizabeth died in 1918 and James died in 1906

Robert James Fleming b. 1862
m. Dell Smith, 26 Dec. 1883

Edward fleming, b. 1870
m. Sarah Tyrell, 12 May 1894

margaret Fleming b. 1859
m. Geo. H. Trott, 7 Sept. 1880

Louise Jane Fleming, b. 1871
m. George E. Hall, 8 April 1901

Mary E. Fleming, b. 1860
m. Daniel Burnham, 24 Dec. 1879

I can't find any trace of George and Louise after the marriage in 1901. She also isn't buried with the others in Bothwell Cemetery. Just a gut feeling but this is the one I think I would try to research and find.

I checked for a birth for Ernest at family search and I couldn't find anything.

[*Sandra*]

Hi,

Looking thru this yesterday, agree with Val that Louise seemed the prime candidate. Louise and George were in Richmond Avenue, Wichita Ward 5, Sedgwick, Kansas 1910 with 3 children.

George C Hall 45 Born Canada. Marriage 2 for 9 years. Shoe-Maker. Shoe Shop
Louise J Hall 39 Born Canada. Had 4 children and 3 survive. Marriage 1 for 9 years.
Florence Hall 8 Born Canada.
Edgar Hall 4 Born Michigan.
Jimmie Hall 2 Born Kansas


Noticed a family tree entry that says :- Louisa Jane Flemming - Born 1871 in Ontario, Canada   and Died  May 1914 in  Wichita, Sedgwick, Kansas.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Ernest made a few border crossings from Canada to the USA - Ernest born 1892 Bothwell Canada - Port of arrival Detroit, Michigan - 25 Mar 1911 - Departure Contact:- Mother Eliz Fleming.
Occupation:- Brakeman. Ever been in the USA before, Ernest answered yes - 1902 to 1 st June 1910 -  Wichita Kansas.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Robert Fleming was also in Kansas - 1900 Sterling, Rice, Kansas. 2 children born in Canada and the third and fourth in Kansas

Robert Fleming 37 Born Canada. Imm 1888. Miller
Dell Fleming 37 Born Canada. Imm 1888. Had 4 children and 4 survive.
Alvin J Fleming 14 Born Canada. Nov 1885.  Imm 1888
Mirta M Fleming 11 Born Canada.Nov 1888.  Imm 1888
Henry J Fleming 9 Born Kansas Dec 1890
Victor W Fleming 6 Born Kansas Nov 1893
Amirtha A Smith 69 Mother-in-law. widowed.

Sandra