"Lightbody" family in Bangor, Co.Down, Northern Ireland - any ideas about that?

[thegabriel]

Greetings Frank,

  Thanks so much for the response! And thank you for the offer
of sharing what you have, that is great.I would love to see
photos and stuff one day. I'd especially like to see Bangor and
Castle Square area and what the people look like.
May I ask your grandmother's names
and her sister's names and whom they married from the Savage
family, and roughly when they married? I am wondering about
the Savage family that lives at "house 62 in Castle Square" on
the 1911 Census. The parents are David (52yrs) and Mary (41)
with daughters Maggie (22) and Sarah(17) and sons Andrew (20),
David (13) and Alexander (4). I have found very sparse
information on them doing searches online over the years. I
wonder if your grandmother and aunt married into that Savage
family. I think that I saw that, that Alexander Savage may
have died around 1930 and that, that Andrew Savage was in the
Machine Gun Corps in WW1.
Frank, I see that you and George are cousins; are you a
descendant of a Lightbody too?
And, I guess from reading this, that Edith Lightbody is his
mother. I do see, her family on the 1911 Census.
I will map out the information that George has posted and if
you see this George, when I am going through my files, I will
see what I find for your Grandparents and before. I think I
could have something. I have a lot of Lightbody files. There
has been a lot of using the process of elimination to
determine my ancestral links. And, right now, anthing backward
or as siblings to my gr-gr-grandparents are guesses.

This is the Lightbody family on the 1911 Census at 96.1 Castle St. that I am a descendant from.
Lightbody   William John   42      
Lightbody   Jane   40   
Lightbody   Jeannie   20   
Lightbody   Mary   18   
Lightbody   Annie   22   
Lightbody   Nellie   15   
Lightbody   Sadie   13   
Lightbody   Susan   12   
Schofield   Tom   24      
Moore   John   16   
Lightbody   William James   11   
Lightbody   William John   9   
Lightbody   Herbert   7   
Lightbody   James   4   
Schofield   Albert   2

I am posting this now and am still trying to write more ....

[thegabriel]

On the 1911 Census:
Jane Lightbody 40 - her maiden name was Moore,
also known as Jennie.
I am not sure who any of her Moore relatives are.
Well except her nephew John Moore on this census (but I don't know anything about him aside from this Census)
and her neice Mary Moore (listed as Mary Lightbody in 1911)

I don't know anything about James or Susan or William James.

Well, thanks to this post, I know he is not and did not do the things or live in the places the William James that you have described.

[thegabriel]

To George Gordon,

You had mentioned the marriage below. Did you get all of this info too, the ages and fathers' names. If not, here it is.



Name:    William Lightbody
Gender:    Male
Marital status:    Single
Age:    28
Birth Date:    1836
Marriage Date:    19 May 1864
Marriage Place:    Shankill, Ant, Ireland
Father:    William Lightbody
Spouse:    Anna Mcconkey

Name:    Anna Mcconkey
Gender:    Female
Marital status:    Single
Age:    26
Birth Date:    1838
Marriage Date:    19 May 1864
Marriage Place:    Shankill, Ant, Ireland
Father:    Robert Mcconkey
Spouse:    William Lightbody

[Frank Vincent]

Greetings Frank,

  Thanks so much for the response! And thank you for the offer
of sharing what you have, that is great.I would love to see
photos and stuff one day. I'd especially like to see Bangor and
Castle Square area and what the people look like.
May I ask your grandmother's names
and her sister's names and whom they married from the Savage
family, and roughly when they married? I am wondering about
the Savage family that lives at "house 62 in Castle Square" on
the 1911 Census. The parents are David (52yrs) and Mary (41)
with daughters Maggie (22) and Sarah(17) and sons Andrew (20),
David (13) and Alexander (4). I have found very sparse
information on them doing searches online over the years. I
wonder if your grandmother and aunt married into that Savage
family. I think that I saw that, that Alexander Savage may
have died around 1930 and that, that Andrew Savage was in the
Machine Gun Corps in WW1.
Frank, I see that you and George are cousins; are you a
descendant of a Lightbody too?
And, I guess from reading this, that Edith Lightbody is his
mother. I do see, her family on the 1911 Census.
I will map out the information that George has posted and if
you see this George, when I am going through my files, I will
see what I find for your Grandparents and before. I think I
could have something. I have a lot of Lightbody files. There
has been a lot of using the process of elimination to
determine my ancestral links. And, right now, anthing backward
or as siblings to my gr-gr-grandparents are guesses.

This is the Lightbody family on the 1911 Census at 96.1 Castle St. that I am a descendant from.
Lightbody   William John   42      
Lightbody   Jane   40   
Lightbody   Jeannie   20   
Lightbody   Mary   18   
Lightbody   Annie   22   
Lightbody   Nellie   15   
Lightbody   Sadie   13   
Lightbody   Susan   12   
Schofield   Tom   24      
Moore   John   16   
Lightbody   William James   11   
Lightbody   William John   9   
Lightbody   Herbert   7   
Lightbody   James   4   
Schofield   Albert   2

I am posting this now and am still trying to write more ....


Hi

George and I are related from his Father's side of the family, his Mother was a Lightbody!
George's Father was my Grandmothers Brother, they were Gordons.
My Grandmother, Ethel, on her second marriage, married into the Savage family.
I will verify when she married I think I have this amongst the photographs and old certificates that I found when my Brother died last year.
My Grandmothers husband was Alex Savage. My Grandmothers Sister ( Isa ) married David Savage, ( Isa and David ) lived in Castle Street, number 56 I think, something like that!
I need to clarify the Gordon - Savage links yet, it's slightly confusing as there were many of them in Bangor!
The Savage family that lived in Castle Square when I was a boy, late 1940's onwards lived about  4 or 5 houses along from me ( terraced houses ).
The Father's name ( if memory serves ), was again Alex so this is slightly confusing.
I was a friend of Maurice Savage, he was probably born about 1951, 1952, he had a  Sister Mabel that I remember also.
I will have a good trawl through what I have now got and see if I can piece some of this together re: Savage.
Hopefully you and George can continue with the Lightbody side of his family.
Meanwhile you might find this link useful, it shows a little bit of my childhood memories, turn on your speakers to fully enjoy it  :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5siE0f1Ef5E

Regards

Frank

[George Gordon]

Many thanks for the information about the marriage. Although the Lightbody family in Bangor and my mothers family from Belfast are different I did at one time think they were connected - mainly because there is a father William John and a son William James in both. It took me a long time to realize they were different.

I am sure my grandfather and your ancestor William John must have known each other. In the 1901 Census John Gordon lived at 26 Castle Street and by 1911 he was in 64 (shortly afterwards he moved round the corner to Castle Square where Frank and I were born). All those houses on the right in Castle Street and all of the Square are now gone.

There were also a Nellie (Ellen) Lightbody in both families. Whilst trying to find out what had happened to my Aunt Nellie (she died in Belfast) I came across the marriage of a Nellie Lighbody and an Andrew Savage. They were married on 16th September 1915 at Bangor Abbey Church. There is a birth of a William Andrew Savage for 26th September 1917 and a death for the mother the next day aged 21.

If I can be of any help in let me know. Ross Davies has a County Down website with a lot of information searchable by surname. I think the name is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies  Or just Google ros davies.

All the best

George Gordon

[George Gordon]

I meant to add that if William John Lightbody is the son of John Lightbody and Anne McMillan you can check Griffith Valuation online for John. Type Griffith Valuation into Google and take the option with askaboutireland. The whole valuation for Ireland is there and Down was covered in the early 1860's. You need to put in the name Lightbody with a first name John. Choose County Down and the Parish of Bangor (do not worry about Barony).

You will find there was a John Lighbody living in Fisher's Hill in Bangor. I have no way of being certain that is William John's father but it seems likely. You can also look link this to the original Ordnance Survey used in the survey, although I find it a bit frustrating at times as it seems not always to take you to the right place.

If it does not you have to do it manually. Bangor is on the south side of Belfast Lough to the east of Belfast, and Fisher's Hill runs up from the harbour parallel to Ballymagee Street. You can also find Castle Street at the top of Main Street and the open ground between there and Upper Main Street became Castle Square (there were no houses then). 

All the best again

George Gordon

[thegabriel]

Thank you for all of the information Frank and George.
There is so much written on this board, I am trying to keep track of it.
I appreciate anything you write. I am trying to process it and write more reponses.

[thegabriel]

The following information could be about the David Savage who married Isa.

I have a Canada Arrivals document dated April 1923
listing David Savage  25 years old
born, Bangor Co. Down
intends to stay in Canada
to Winnipeg for Harvesting work
nearest relative in Ireland - wife, Mrs Savage at 30 Castle Sq. Bangor

then there is a UK Incoming Passengers List for
Decemeber 17th 1923
listing
David Savage - 25 years old, labourer - Castle Sq. Bangor Co. Down

[thegabriel]

To George,

  That is the Andrew Savage I am looking for information on nad/or if he had any other children with a new wife (or if he died in the War?). Particularly after

the birth of their son in 1917. Or if their is a grave plot for Nellie (nee Lightbody) Savage.
I know about the 1915 Marriage and then Nellie's death. Did you save a copy of the certificate? I don't have a copy. I do have a certified copy of the birth of their son though. I think i have a certified copy of her death certificate as well. I will have to look.
I believe the Andrew Savage who marries in 1920 to I think Jane McKinney may be the same person. It would be nice to see that registration and who his parents are listed as.
When searching, the Index record lists the names (who can be witnesses or other marriages):
(Apr-May-Jun- 1920) Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index,1845-1958
(Newtownards)
James Walker
Sarah Jane Barr
Walter Erskine Scott
Isobel Keenan McDowell
Samuel Speers Telford
Ethel Morrow
Andrew Savage
Jane McKinney

And thank you for the County Down website link. I have been all over that website before. It is a great resource. I am very thankful that it exists.