"Lightbody" family in Bangor, Co.Down, Northern Ireland - any ideas about that?

[aghadowey]

James Hamilton Savage (c1868 Bangor-1937), builder & contractor, son of Alexander, m.(1890) Mary Graham (c1866 Bangor)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Ballyholme_Road/1252315
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Ballyholme_Rd/261587
Book inscriptions- http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/LostinBOOKS1.htm
"1867-1937; of Mount Herald, 1 Ballyholme Rd, Bangor; a building contractor, councillor, magistrate , philanthropist & sportsman ; of Mount Herald, Ballymagee Street in 1901 ; councillor for Clifton Ward & member of Joint Burial Board in 1910"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/S/SavageAJ.htm
"Savage James Hamilton of Mount Herald 1 Ballyholme Road Bangor county Down J.P. died 27 November 1937 Probate Belfast 19 January to Betty Savage and Jane Savage spinsters and Terence B. Graham assistant town clerk. Effects £6255 16s. 9d." www.proni.gov.uk
1.   Alexander Savage (1891 Bangor)
2.   Lizzie/Betty Savage (c1893 Bangor)
        “The Savage cup was presented to Ballyholme Yacht Club on 12th November 1968 by Miss Betty Savage as a perpetual challenge trophy in memory of her father, the late James Hamilton Savage J. P.” http://www.waverleyclass.com/trophies.htm
3.   John Graham Savage (c1894 Bangor-1917)
        Grave- http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=1044913
        Bangor War Memorial- http://www.ulsterwarmemorials.net/html/bangor__county_down.html
4.   Jane Savage (c1897 Bangor)

[Frank Vincent]

Hi aghadowey,

Wow! this is  all fantastic stuff, very interesting to me.
I remember " Mount Herald " as a boy, my Grandmother took me there a few times.
My Grandmother's second marriage to Alex did not work out and she seperated from him.
I did meet him a few times as a boy and he was always very pleasant to my Mother and myself as I remember.
Terence B Graham I also remember, I think he later became Town Clerk.
I have a letter from him to my Grandmother amongst many old photographs.
Many thanks for providing this information it really is of great interest to me,

Regards

Frank

[Frank Vincent]

Hi,

Having read the posts of aghadowey I am now pretty sure that the Savages mentioned in the roll of honour, Andrew and David, 16, Castle Square, must have been the Savage family George and I grew up with!
I lived in 2, Castle Square and George lived in number 30 Castle Square.
I thought the Savages might have been closer to my house but thinking about it 16 is entirely possible.
I am assuming the row of terraced house ran 2,4, 6 etc. Number 2, (my house ) was the first house in the row.
Maurice Savage was born about 1951, 1952, he still lives in Bangor, he was a boyhood friend. He had a Sister I remember as Mabel. I think his Father was Alex Savage and if memory serves me correctly his Mother was called Lillie.
As a very small boy I remember his Grandmother also lived there, she was quite old then.

Regards

Frank

[aghadowey]

Families sometimes move from one rented house to another on the same street and it's also possible that houses were renumbered. Have you looked at the online Valuation Revision Books (www.proni.gov.uk) which go up to c1930?

Please remember that you aren't allowed to post details of living people.

[aghadowey]

Now to sort out the Lightbodys in Bangor 

My grandfather was John Lightbody who was born in Portovo.  He was in the Royal Marines.  He had 2 brothers William and James and three sisters Agnes, Jean and Laura.  His father was Hugh Lightbody.  I have often heard my grandmother saying we were related to half of Bangor.  I know there were some relatives who lived in Castle Street, Market Square etc but I'm not sure if we are related to any of those mentioned here.  Some of you may know my uncles and aunties.  Archie, Jack, Hugh, Brian, Madge, Elsie and my mother Gladys. (from betken)

Hugh Lightbody (c1859), farm lab., son of William, m.(1884 Newtownards dist.) Jane Gaw?/Peden? (c1861)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Groomesport/1251799
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Groomsport/260352
1.   William Lightbody (c1886)
2.   John Lightbody (c1888)
        First Bangor Presbyterian Church Rool of Honour: John Lightbody, Ballymaconnell, Private Royal Marines
        http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohbangor1.html
3.   Agnes Lightbody (1893)
4.   Jane Lightbody (c1896)
5.   James Lightbody (c1898)
6.   Laura Lightbody (1904)
(also 1 child died before 1911)

[aghadowey]

George Gordon's family  (next 2 posts)

William John Lightbody (c1871 Belfast?-5 Sept.1912), silver engraver, m.(28 Dec.1891 St. Anne’s, Belfast) Ellen Elizabeth Ward (c1873 Leicester, England-12 Mar.1912)
directories- 1895 & 1897 & 1899 at 18 Tasmania St.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Victoria/Larkfield_Road/1222261
1907 directory- Lightbody, W. J., engraver, 11 Glencairn Street
1910 directory- Lightbody, W. J., engraver, 3 Greenmount, Ballymagarry
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Woodvale/White_Rock_Road/183331
1912- 3 Greenmount Ballygomartin Road
Buried Belfast City Cemetery (H1 88)
1.   William Francis Lightbody (1892-11 Nov.1892)
2.   William James Lightbody (c1895 Belfast) 1911- Royal Navy
3.   Joseph Lightbody (c1896-8 Sept.1897)
4.   Ellen/Nellie Lightbody (c1899 Belfast-1922 Whiteabbey)
5.   Annie Lightbody (c1909 Belfast)
6.   Edith Lightbody (1907 Belfast)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBGG-PML
7.   Walter Lightbody (1908 Belfast)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBPQ-SZJ

William Francis Lightbody (1892-11 Nov.1892)
Death (Leightbody):https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTCR-9PR
Belfast City Cemetery (B1 389) William Francis Lightbody, 31 Arkwright St., aged 7 weeks, died 11 Nov.1892, buried 13 Nov.1892. Also in same plot: Mary McConkey (d.1888), Margaret Rainey (d.1892), Elizabeth Roberts McConkey (d.1896), Mary Neilly (d.1911), James Neilly (d.1917).

Joseph Lightbody (c1896-8 Sept.1897)
Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTD3-ZM5
Belfast City Cemetery (H2 88): Joseph Lightbody, 18 Tasmania St., age 1 yr., died & buried 8 Sept.1897. Also buried in same plot: William Bell Brown (d.1943) & Sarah Elizabeth Brown (d.1953)

[aghadowey]

William Lightbody (c1836), son of William, m.(19 May 1864 Christ C. of I., Shankill, Belfast) Anna McConkey (c1938), dau. of Robert
1.   John Starrette Lightbody (15 Jan.1879 at 47 Boundary St., Belfast)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5D3-KMX

I believe that the above William Lightbody & Anna McConkey could be the parents of William John Lightbody (d.1912) in previous post.
William's marriage in 1891 lists his father as William Lightbody, engineer. I have been unable to find a match in Belfast directories, etc. both before and after 1891. However, William John Lightbody has a Margaret McConkey (d.1909) buried in plot H1 88, and in plot H2 88 (suspect 2 plots are near each other if not adjacent) is son William Francis Lightbody with 2 McConkeys.

The Joseph Lightbody died 1897 was at 18 Tasmania St. where we know William John Lightbody was living at the time. This Joseph and the William Francis died 1892 would be the 2 deceased children of Ellen (1911 census).

[aghadowey]

Family of Francis Lightbody, Bangor  (see next post for another possible child of Francis & a bit of a puzzle)

Francis Lightbody (c1834/c1839-1915), labourer, son of William, m.(1859) Sarah Gamble (c1838-1895)
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCP-PGY
Death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRKW-NMS
1.   Ellen Lightbody (c1866/c1870) m.(c1895) William John/James McDade/McDaid
2.   Mary Lightbody (14 June 1869 Donaghadee)
3.   Maria Hamilton Lightbody (4 Feb.1876 Bangor) m.(c1896) John Conway
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXT-MJB

Ellen Lightbody (c1866/c1870) m.(1912) William John McDade/McDaid (c1875)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Castle_Street/1252565
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Castle_Square/261331
Note not married until Oct./Dec.1912 Newtownards dist.
1.   Maggie Lightbody (c1890)
2.   Mabel Lightbody (c1893)
        www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Hamilton_Road/261063
3.   Jane McDade (c1896)
4.   Thomas McDade (c1900)
5.   David McDade (c1902)
6.   Catherine McDade (c1904)
7.   Ellen McDade (c1906)
8.   Henry McDade (c1908)

Maria Hamilton Lightbody (4 Feb.1876 Bangor) m.(1899) John Conway (c1869)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGXT-MJB
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Castle_Street/1252568
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Castle_Square/261344
1.   John Conway (c1897)
2.   Francis/Frank Conway (c1899)
3.   Mary Conway (c1901)
4.   Samuel Conway (c1904)
5.   Maria Conway (c1905)
6.   Hugh Conway (29 Nov.1906)- family
7.   David Conway (c1909)
8.   Charlotte Conway (c1911)

The surnames Gamble & Gemmell are interchageable and I found this family in Scotland but can't be sure it's same one (Ellen's age matches well) but checking any of the birth certificates (Scotland's People) should show date and place of parents' marriage. I did also look for them in Dalry & vacinity in Scottish census records without finding any trace of them.
Children of Francis Lightbody & Sarah Gemmell
1. Margaret Jane (1860 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYPZ-51S
2. William (1862 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYY9-RHD
3. Henry (1865 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYY9-DF5
4. Ellen (1867 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYPZ-D58
5. William Kirk (1874 Scotland) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYY9-RHF

[aghadowey]

Another Lightbody family in Bangor 

John Lightbody (c1849/c1846/c1845/c1854-1925), labourer, son of William, m.(12 Aug.1865 Newtownards dist.) Anne/Annie Corne (c1851/c1841/c1844/c1843-1927), dau. of William
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD8-J37
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Church_Street/1252667
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Bangor/Church_Street/261452
7 children (2 died before 1911)
Bangor Abbey: Erected by John Lightbody in mem. of his son John drowned at sea 1887 aged 16. Also his son Albert who d. Oct. 24 1900 aged 21. Also the above named John Lightbody who d. May 23 1925 aged 71. Also his wife Anne who d. Feb.6 1927 aged 84.
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=25&p=surnames.lightbody
1.   Jane Lightbody (21 Mar.1869 Bangor)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5ZJ-XYN
2.   John Lightbody (c1871-1887, drowned)
3.   James Lightbody (c1875)
?4.   Amanda Lightbody
5.   Hugh Lightbody (c1883) (c1878)

Amanda Lightbody is listed in 1901 census as daughter of the above John & Annie and in 1911 with her husband Thomas Roy (married 1899 Belfast).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Downpatrick/Scotch_Street/237665

I found a Henry Lightbody, son of Francis married 1894 to Amanda Currant, daughter of John. Then found likely death for Henry (age 29 so born c1868) in 1897 Newtownards district.

Amanda is not a common name of the period and to have 2 Amanada Lightbodys does seem a bit unlikely. So, it's possible that Henry Lighbody married 1894 Amanda Currant, died 1897 and his widow Amanda Lightbody married 1899 Thomas Roy. Doesn't explain why she's listed as a daughter of John & Annie but certificates might sort it all out.