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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 28 June 13 07:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Lucy,

A question............

Is Tikokino the Maori name for Hampden? I have only heard of the settlement of Hampden situated between Palmerston (South) and Oamaru.

Just brushing up on my geography!  :)

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 28 June 13 08:03 BST (UK) »

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 28 June 13 08:07 BST (UK) »
Ah, you learn something everyday!

Thanks Janette.

Minniehaha.  :)
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 28 June 13 10:29 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your input.  I should have put a few more details shouldn't I.

Lu, yes George Brewer Simpson was the father of Sarah, but when they say father in law in the newspaper article, is that legally father in law or just the term used, but not actually?
It almost sounds like they gave her to him and that was why I was wondering if the marriage referred to on Johns death cert was for Alice.

KHP, yes Riria was Maori. (trying to find her origins also but will try to sort this mystery first).

Thank you for ruling out Alice who died 1934. I was wondering if it was the usual mis transcribing of the m for an n but seeing the headstone definitely rules her out.

Lu I would very much appreciate if you could look at Michael Hallasey's file at Archives NZ as that does look to be her parents, so any information would be wonderful.

Alice just seems to have disappeared!  The following is said very light heartedly - in the newspaper article I found, John didn't come across as a man with high morals so it does make me wonder what happened to Alice    ;) ;)


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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 28 June 13 10:36 BST (UK) »
Spades thank you for the two links, I have bookmarked for future reference.

Cheers,
M

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 14 July 13 05:53 BST (UK) »

Lu I would very much appreciate if you could look at Michael Hallasey's file at Archives NZ as that does look to be her parents, so any information would be wonderful.


 Hi

 Have looked at the will of Michael HALLASEY- Farmer - formerly of Taradale and lately of Tikokino, who died on 22 April 1913, and sorry to say, it did not contain a single mention of any of his children.   :(

[There was an element of intrigue about the document - the will had been written in November 1872 and somewhat worse for wear, had been handed to a solicitor in Napier in 1902 for safe-keeping (- with a special note on file explaining its plight).  "Katherine HALLASEY, my well-beloved wife" was the only beneficiary.   Interestingly the signatures of both Michael and his wife, showed their surname as HALLASY.   And the wife as Executrix, signed an affidavit (unusually) with two signatures - "Katherine" and "Catherine" HALLASY.]

Mmm ... not of help in finding daughter Alice.  :(

   ~  Lu   

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 14 July 13 14:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Lu,

Very disappointing  :(, but thank you very much.

Since reading this I was entering different spelling anywhere I could think and in Archives, Wellington, there is a Coroners Inquest for a Catherine Hallasey for 1920. It does have restricted access for preservation reasons. Do you think this might be Michaels wife?

I'm not sure how Archives works and whether they can be viewed or not when restricted, but if possible and if you think it might be worthwhile could I impose upon you again Lu next time you are there?

I can find no other records for Alice anywhere but I did find two more births for Michael and Catherine, Thomas Michael born in 1865 and Anne born in 1881. These were under the spelling Hallasy. I also found a death for Michael Hallasey, 9 months died 1864. Can't find a birth  for Michael so wondered if this may be for Thomas Michael, also no death for Thomas Michael.

Also found a marriage for a Annie Hallasey in 1920 (Although this would make her 39!) Do you think it might be worth sending for to see if she is a relative and work forward to living relatives who may know some history?

Why oh why don't I have straight forward easy to find relatives ::)

Will wait for your advice Lu,

Cheers,
M

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 14 July 13 20:27 BST (UK) »
Hello,

The Catherine Hallasey who died in 1920 was aged 85 years.  See New Zealand BDM index @

www.dia.govt.nz

[If ordering at any time, it is best to obtain a printout as these are cheaper, may have more information than a certificate and can be e-mailed to you..............]

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Did John DEAMS wife die, or were they divorced or ?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 14 July 13 20:51 BST (UK) »

I also found a death for Michael Hallasey, 9 months died 1864.


There is a Michael Hallasey aged 9 months in 1865.... location only says Napier  :)


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