Death notie/Obituary

[Marilyn_Warburt]

Hello
I wonder if some kind person would be able to search Old newspapers in Croydon, Surrey for the death notice or obituary of a William McBride who died 11 Dec 1920...or failing that would know where to get a burial record.
Thank you
Marilyn in NZ

[Jane Masri]

Hi Marilyn,
His death registration indicates he was born 1831 (age at death 89)  Volume 2a Page 308.  Registration District, Croydon.  Croydon RD covers many parishes so difficult to know where he might be buried.  You can obtain a copy of his death certificate from GRO. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/   This would tell you his place of death so could be a clue as to where he was buried or cremated.

There might not have been any newspaper notice concerning his passing or funeral arrangements but I'll have a look later today if nobody beats me to it 

Jane

[Marilyn_Warburt]

Hi Jane

Thank you so much, I really appreciate any help at all.. I will wait and see if you find anything first before getting his cert.

Grateful thanks
Marilyn

[Jane Masri]

Sorry Marilyn that I didn't have the time yesterday to go into this.
Just to check that I have the right William Mcbride - Born 11/5/1839, Ayrshire, Scotland, s/o John & Jane Kirk.  Married Anne Bashford, 26/1/1870, Croydon?
There are many Public Member trees on Ancestry concerning William but none that have his place of death or burial    Whilst searching I noted that Croydon Crematorium didn't open until 1937 so there's a chance that he was buried.
From the census it would appear that he spent his time in South Croydon.  The last sighting I have is 1901 when he's at Churchill (or Church Hill) Road, South Croydon.  I haven't found him in 1911 yet but will have another look.
No mention of him in any online newspapers that I have access to 
Anne died in 1917,

Jane

[Jane Masri]

I found them in 1911.  William is with his youngest son, Alfred John at 1, Purley Park View, Purley, Surrey. So that's his last known address.
 Interestingly he's (William) a gardener/labourer at Russell Hill School. 
Ann was more difficult to find as she had been transcribed as, 'Annie W. Bride'    & she's at Croydon Union Infirmary, Mayday Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey as a patient.
It might be your best bet to get that death certificate to know his place of death.  The only other resource is to find him in the electoral registers but they're not online as far as I know.
Only other thing I can think of is to contact the nearest cemetery to the Purley address to see if he's buried there,

Jane

[Jane Masri]

Croydon Cemetery seems to be the nearest & obvious choice.  You can contact them via email,

http://www.croydon.gov.uk/community/births-deaths-marriage/cemeteries/cemetery

Jane

[Marilyn_Warburt]

Hi Jane

Thank you so much for all this information, it is really very kind of you to do all this and I'm very grateful. I will try the burial place first before purchasing the death cert which I'm sure others on Ancestry must have....He must have been quite elderly when he was the gardener from Russell Hill School...don't suppose they would have any employment records would they?
The reason I'm searching for this man is because I don't believe he is the son of my ancestors John and Jane (Kirk) because this entire branch of the McBrides in Ayrshire changed their surname to Douglas around 1860 and the son William died in a boiler explosion in a Mossend mine in 1862.
On William of Surreys marriage cert he is William BRIDE (which matches Ann Bashfords details) and his father is given as William.  On a birth record... for the same date as given to William on Ancestry it is for John and Janes other son John born 11 May 1839 in Kirkoswald......
So you can see how difficult this is and why I need to prove his date of birth.
Thank you again for all the help and for the addresses and Census info, it is very much appreciated
Marilyn in NZ

[Jane Masri]

Ahh, a complicated issue to untangle 
To be honest I had a niggling doubt in my mind when I saw the Ancestry trees because there was a fairly large discrepancy with William's age.  His age at death is 89 (I checked the index) which gives him a DOB of about 1831.  This ties-in with his age given in 1911 (80)  Of course both of these ages would have been given by his son, so subject to being incorrect.
Going through the census,
1851 - born Maybole, Ayr age 10 (1841)
1871 - born Crosshill, Scotland age 32 (1839)
1881 - born Argyll, age 41 (1840)
1891 - born Scotland, age 55 (1836)
1901 - born Maybole, age 69 (1832)
1911 - born Dundee, age 80 (1831)

Yes, I found that BRIDE marriage (after much looking) in 1870 but the reference to Ann in 1911 is definately an error from the transcriber as, if you look closely, it says, 'McBride'.
To prove his date of birth I would suggest you pop over to the Scotland board (Ayrshire) & see if anyone can find his baptism (civil reg. in Scotland started much later)  His burial might not be of any help to you as, 1. his son would have dealt with it & probably didn't put a DOB on the headstone & 2. if he did, it would probably be the same as the 1911 census.

Have you contacted anyone on Ancestry regarding this Surrey William?
Records for Russell school might be at Croydon Local Studies.  I've tried A2A http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/  but can't find them at the moment 

Jane

[Jane Masri]

Just a few bits & pieces I found which might help,

From Rootsweb,

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AYRSHIRE/2001-05/0990668859

This from Curious Fox, it might help,
alexander,cowan, mcbride,douglas - (Kirkmichael - Ayrshire)
I have information regarding the Alexander Cowan family..namely Margaret,William and Gilbert. They along with their parents emigrated to Wisconsin. I am in contact with descendants. The daur Margaret married John McBride of Kirkmichael son of John snr and Jean/Jane Kirk or Kirkland. The family all changed their surname from McBride to Douglas after John snr passed away and most moved to LKS apart from John who went to Marquette Co WI and Andrew to Dalrymple. A daughter Hannah had a son William McBride in 1862 Ayr and she later married Patrick Blake in Mossend. Other siblings included Helen/Ellen who m John Cochrane,Elizabeth m David Wood but had a son AndreWw Dick already, Jane m James Hainnan and Robert m Mary Wylie
 Family Surnames: Alexander,Cowan,Mcbride

Jane