Julia Venturney née Cooke..... and Jack the Ripper!

[Milliepede]

Found a teeny bit more on daughter Charlotte death 1885.  This time surname is Venbreney.

Register of deaths Whitechapel Union Infirmary. 
Cause of death phthisis. 
Date of death 16 July 1885.

Still trying (and failing) to find her and mother in 1881.  They must have been in the same area I would have thought.

[tilly56]

Hello Chris

Thank you very much for posting that information - I realise now that that is where I read the snippet about some people incorrectly thinking that Julia was German...

You obviously did a lot of research into Jack the Ripper.  I saw a film with Michael Caine as a detective who came to the conclusion that Jack did not act alone, but had a coachman who drove him to the various murders.. I can't remember who he decided the Ripper was, I think maybe a surgeon.

Tilly

[tilly56]

Hi Millie

Thank you!!  you're very good at finding all the strange spellings of Venturney!! I'm hopeless!!

I, too, am still looking for them in the 1881 census.  I am going through all Julia's brother Richard's family to see whether they could be with them, but no luck so far.  Richard married an Irish girl from Clarecastle, Ann Burk - the family story says that her mother, Bridget, was a layer-uter in Clarecastle. One day she was called to "lay out" a body that had already stiffened somewhat, but with the knees bent.  So she put her whole weight on the legs to try and straighten them - at which point, the top of the body sprung forward over her shoulder.... causing Bridget to run out out the house screaming that the body had come back to life!!!!

What a strange family I have!!

Tilly

[tilly56]

Just to let everyone know that I wrote the South London Cemetery and had the following reply

I have checked and double checked with my colleague the register for 1914/1915 and there is no entry for the surname Venturney,
so sorry.

I have written back giving the variations on the first and surname and hopefully they will have another look.

tilly

[Maddie]

Hi Tilly

Just caught up with your fascinating thread, I also have a connection to Jack the Ripper, my ancestor Emma Beament married Frederick G Abberline in 1876 & now I watch everything concerning the Ripper case with avid interest. 

I, like others, have been trying to find your Julia in the 1881 census without any success at all, both mother & daughter are really well hidden.

Hope you have more luck with the cemetery this time.

Maddie

[tilly56]

Hi Maddie,
That IS interesting!! Have you seen the film with Michael Caine as Frederick Abberline?  Simply called "Jack the Ripper".... I have the DVD (free with the Daily Telegraph a while back!!) and I'm intending to watch it again, just in case there's a mention of Julia!

I wonder WHERE they are in 1881!!

Tilly

[Maddie]

Hi Tilly

Yes, I have seen the Michael Caine film many moons ago & at the time I had no idea he was portraying an ancestor by marriage of mine. I also remember visiting Madam Tussuad's a long time ago & going into the Chamber of Horrors, actually looking at all the exhibits from the Ripper murders, again, I hadn't a clue that I had a connection.

I keep going back to that darn census in the hope that somehow Julia will show herself.

Maddie

[tilly56]

Hi Maddie,

I know what you mean... I never dreamt I could claim any connection to Jack!!  I wish there were some family stories about Julia that had come down the generations!!

I am trying to be logical about finding her in 1881 - in 1888 she is at 1 Miller's Court. I had a look at that address in 1881 with FindMyPast, but they were not there.  I shall work my way through the whole street, just in case!!

Tilly

[Maddie]

Hi Tilly

I was on my way down Dorset street in 1881 using the same method until I got interupted. I'll have another go, wonder how long it will take to walk round Whitechapel.

Maddie