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Liffen help please
« on: Thursday 01 August 13 08:41 BST (UK) »
I'm at present stuck on my Family Tree. I'm a South London Liffen, and I've got as far back as my Grandfather.Sadly, I've lost my father now but a few years ago when i mentioned that the Liffen name was common in Norfolk (we have a holiday home at Hemsby) he commented" All i know is that the Liffens  had to leave Norfolk in a hurry". He had been told that by someone in the family as a child.My Grandfather was born in South London in 1894 so it was before then.I know that sounds very sinister but I've come to a halt on the tree and maybe someone on the forum  might be able to offer some advice.I would so very much like to establish some roots in Norfolk if possible.
Thanks in anticipation.

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Re: Liffen help please
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 August 13 08:53 BST (UK) »
When and where wasyour grandfather born? And what was his name?
Hopefully you can trace further back and then you will see where your Liffens lived in earlier years


Modified - sorry, you did say he was born south london 1894. - so have you got him in 1901 census? Hopefully with parents? Or got his birth cert? If you want help looking for these, then we will need his full name and any other info you know about him (siblings etc). 
Also, if you have his marriage cert to your gran, that should show his fathers name?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Liffen help please
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 August 13 09:04 BST (UK) »
Sorry, I shouldwait for your reply, but I was wondering if this is grandads birth?

Jul/Aug/Sep 1894
St Olave Southwark
Ref
1d 28
James Liffen


In which case here he is in 1901
RG 13 365 76 14
4 Spurgeon House, Crosslet Street, sourhwark
James 43 widower Leather dresser
John 19 son Leather dresser
Arthur 16 Leather dresser
Ellen 13
Emily 12
Frederick 9
James 6         all bn Bermonsey
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 August 13 09:12 BST (UK) »
Assuming Grandad was called James, and therefore that was him in 1901 with widowed Dad,also James' then here is greatgrandad and the family 10 years earlier in 1891

RG12 372 80 19
16 Lunard?  ? Street, Bermonsey
James 34 Leather dresser
Lucy 32 wife
James 14
Lucy 12
John 9
Arthur 6
Ellen 3
Emily 2      all bn Bermonsey

As they have an older son also called James, I would imagine he died before 1894, and then they called anotber child James (your grandad). A common practice
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 August 13 09:18 BST (UK) »
Death
Oct/Nov/Dec 1899
St Savioirs Southwark
Ref 1d 16
Lucy Liffen
Age 41

And possible
Death
Jul/Aug/sep 1893
London city
Ref 1c 13
James John Liffen
Age 17


I wont do any more research till I know if I am following tbe right family or not!

If grandad was not called James, then I am not!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Liffen help please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 August 13 10:28 BST (UK) »
There have been 2/3 postings re. this but there hasn't been any response from Londonliffen.

Annette
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Re: Liffen help please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 August 13 10:47 BST (UK) »
Londonliffen is offline now.

Hopefully will respond next time he/she comes on to Rootschat.
I see he/she is on here only between 8am and 9am, so maybe there we will get some more info tomorrow morning!

I'm so tempted to keep researching ...... I reckon James must be him, as was the only South London Liffen birth in 1894, tho' if I remember rightly there was also one in Greenwich or somewhere else vaguely London-y.

But I must be sensible(!) , no point in putting pages of census info on here, then Londonliffen replies and says grandad was called Fred or something .... Would only be confusing!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Liffen help please
« Reply #7 on: Friday 02 August 13 01:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your very prompt reply, you are very kind.

I do agree with your details at 4 Spurgeon House as I had also found them in that Census!

My Fathers Father was Frederick Liffen, 1894-1951. That I do know.His father I believe was James Liffen,born 1859 married to Adelaine/Adelaide (surname unknown) but believed born 1859 also.(1901 census, page 62, (ancestry names him as "ludwick Liffer")living at 7 Edward Hse, Potier St..

my Fathers Mother was Mary Laws 1895-1963. I believe her Father to be John Henry Law born 1847.
They lived at 179 Barnham St Buildings on these dates-1910, 1915, 1918 (Electoral Roll)

in the 1861 census I have a James "Leffin" aged 6 , father john Leffin (40) and wife eliza (34) living at no. 8 Mellicks place, a very poor area.
In the 1871 Census,i have a James "Leffen" aged 15, living at 39 Mellicks Place, it's the right area, the Head of the family Eliza, born Ramsgate 1827.Could this be him do you think? Has James now died?

I also have the 1891 Census, 16 "Linard St), this was near Grange Walk, again near Mellicks place.

This is very confusing and I wonder if I'm wrong?-1881 Census James "Leffen" aged 26, married to Lucy aged 23-.Is this my GGGF or not I wonder?

I have built the tree as much as I can, its on Ancestry Uk, named "Liffen Family Tree New" and I wonder if you can access it?

Thank you all for your help.

Henry


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« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 August 13 02:59 BST (UK) »
Your Frederick Liffen was b.10/10/1894 and baptised 15/2/1895 St. Saviour, Southwark, son of Frederick Liffen and wife Adelaide.   Frederick senior was a Tanners Labourer.

Frederick junior enlisted in the Royal Field Artillery on 6/8/1914 but discharged 16/6/1915 - no reason given for discharge.   States he was in France from 3/10/1914 to 4/5/1915.   Next of kin given as his parents Frederick and Adelaide.

So mistranscribed 'Ludwick' on census was Frederick.

As yet have not found marriage between Frederick and Adelaide.

Annette
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Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

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