Alice Malone abt 1841 maiden name? (Monaghan/ Sunderland)

[LABL]

I am trying to trace Patrick Cooney's birthplace and am hoping that finding Alice's maiden name may help. I have the following information - a little long!

Patrick Cooney (1847-1903) married Margaret Martin (1853-1897) in 1871 and the marriage certificate has Bernard (abt 1845) and Alice (abt 1841)  Malone as witnesses. 1911 census has Edward Cooney (Patrick’s son) staying with the Malone’s as a great nephew (I think this may be nephew because of date, and as Sarah Keelan is also staying and one census refers to her as great niece and another as niece).  Also visiting the Malone’s are people from the Keelan (various spellings:Keenan Heelan Keelin) and Martin families.  The address of the Malone’s in one census puts their residence as the same street as Patrick Cooney about the same time. I am struggling to find out where in Ireland Patrick was born and was hoping Alice is a sister of Patrick’s, which may help my research. There is a marriage between a Bernard Malone and Alice Martin in 1869 which would imply Alice is a sister of Patrick’s wife? However, I can’t find Alice on the Martin censuses.  Alice was born in Monaghan, Ireland in abt 1841.  She may have married twice as her marriage to Bernard was when she was 27.  A child, Philip (abt 1863), shows on the census as Philip Keelan and then Philip Malone.  Bernard and Alice didn’t have children, so I wonder if Philip was from a previous marriage, if at all her son.  I would love to solve the mystery with Alice – is she a Cooney or Martin. Also, where did Patrick come from? Can anyone help with this please?  Thank you.

[Derek c]

I am trying to trace Patrick Cooney's birthplace and am hoping that finding Alice's maiden name may help. I have the following information - a little long!

Patrick Cooney (1847-1903) married Margaret Martin (1853-1897) in 1871 and the marriage certificate has Bernard (abt 1845) and Alice (abt 1841)  Malone as witnesses. 1911 census has Edward Cooney (Patrick’s son) staying with the Malone’s as a great nephew (I think this may be nephew because of date, and as Sarah Keelan is also staying and one census refers to her as great niece and another as niece).  Also visiting the Malone’s are people from the Keelan (various spellings:Keenan Heelan Keelin) and Martin families.  The address of the Malone’s in one census puts their residence as the same street as Patrick Cooney about the same time. I am struggling to find out where in Ireland Patrick was born and was hoping Alice is a sister of Patrick’s, which may help my research. There is a marriage between a Bernard Malone and Alice Martin in 1869 which would imply Alice is a sister of Patrick’s wife? However, I can’t find Alice on the Martin censuses.  Alice was born in Monaghan, Ireland in abt 1841.  She may have married twice as her marriage to Bernard was when she was 27.  A child, Philip (abt 1863), shows on the census as Philip Keelan and then Philip Malone.  Bernard and Alice didn’t have children, so I wonder if Philip was from a previous marriage, if at all her son.  I would love to solve the mystery with Alice – is she a Cooney or Martin. Also, where did Patrick come from? Can anyone help with this please?  Thank you.

Hello...I believe that the Edward referred to was my grandfather. He died in 1975 aged 84. (Murton Co. Durham). From a distant relative, who has investigated further, he has Patrick Cooney as being born in 1847 in Co Cavan. He died in Sunderland workhouse I believe. Not sure this of any real use, but it is definitely the same family

[LABL]

Hello, thank you for your reply.  My family thought that Patrick was from Co. Cavan so this does sound hopeful. I'm in Ireland next week to trace a relative in Co, Clare - hopefully I can make a detour and find out some more.  Linda

[Derek c]

Hello, thank you for your reply.  My family thought that Patrick was from Co. Cavan so this does sound hopeful. I'm in Ireland next week to trace a relative in Co, Clare - hopefully I can make a detour and find out some more.  Linda

Thanks Linda....let me know if you find anything interesting!

[LABL]

Hello Derek,
I have found quite a lot of information on Patrick Cooney's (b. 1847 Cavan) family that I am happy to share. Patrick did die in a workhouse. However, he worked hard all of his life and the workhouse was the hospital equivalent at that time. His son, John was with him when he died. He died of TB.
I didn't have much information on his son, Edward and ran a search on Ancestry which came up with a couple of possibly spouses - one of which was Mary Tyzack - would this be your grandmother's name?  On Edward brother Patrick's marriage certificate, 1871, their dad, also Patrick was shown as a farm labourer in Ireland.  Patrick's own job was at the Iron Works. They lived in Monkwearmouth, so I am assuming he worked at the Monkwearmouth Ironworks. What would be lovely would be if your grandma's maiden name was Tyzack as I found a Samuel Tyzack (of the  Monkwearmouth Ironworks) who became Sunderland AFC treasurer in 1887.  Please fill in the gaps in the family tree of your line with Edward and his spouse for me so I can either ignore this link or pursue it.  Many thanks, Linda

[Derek c]

Hello Derek,
I have found quite a lot of information on Patrick Cooney's (b. 1847 Cavan) family that I am happy to share. Patrick did die in a workhouse. However, he worked hard all of his life and the workhouse was the hospital equivalent at that time. His son, John was with him when he died. He died of TB.
I didn't have much information on his son, Edward and ran a search on Ancestry which came up with a couple of possibly spouses - one of which was Mary Tyzack - would this be your grandmother's name?  On Edward brother Patrick's marriage certificate, 1871, their dad, also Patrick was shown as a farm labourer in Ireland.  Patrick's own job was at the Iron Works. They lived in Monkwearmouth, so I am assuming he worked at the Monkwearmouth Ironworks. What would be lovely would be if your grandma's maiden name was Tyzack as I found a Samuel Tyzack (of the  Monkwearmouth Ironworks) who became Sunderland AFC treasurer in 1887.  Please fill in the gaps in the family tree of your line with Edward and his spouse for me so I can either ignore this link or pursue it.  Many thanks, Linda

Linda...that's great stuff! Yes absolutely my grandmother was Mary Ellen Tyzack who died in 1978. I understand that her father was called Anthony and was a tram driver in Sunderland. I am very grateful for the information...you must have done some deep digging!  Let me know which other specific details you need and I will get back to you....cheers...Derek

[LABL]

Hello Derek, I didn't get chance to trace any Cooneys in Cavan whilst I was in Ireland. However, I have found quite a lot on the Tyzack family.  If you follow this link: www.tyzack.net/tyneside.html
 you will see a family tree - your grandma's family were descendant from Joseph Slater, who was descent from minor nobility: www.tyzack.net  There is a lovely link with Sunderland football club, too!  Enjoy your read.  If you want to email me for the tree details to yourself, I am happy to share all I have found.  Regards, Linda

[Derek c]

Linda, as ever, this is excellent information! I would definitely like to see the info you have assembled so far. Thanks so much!

[GazCooney]

Hi everyone, really enjoyed reading this thread so thanks to all who contributed. Patrick Cooney was my great great grandfather. I spent a lot of time some years back researching his family tree which can be accessed on Ancestry.com

Pretty much everything above ties in with what I found, I actually visited the old Union Workhouse in Sunderland which is now a hospital (Strangely enough my Nana was in the very same part of the hospital in fact that's where she died also, weird how history can often repeat itself) I did find quite a lot of information on one of Patrick's Sons, Hugh Cooney. Hugh has a lot of information available, in particular his WWI record. He had must have joined up pretty much at the outbreak of war and survived right up until about 2 months before the end of the war. On my Ancestry page there are photos, medals and links to his army record. One particular story springs to mind when he blew himself and a few of his pals up, by accident, a particular Cooney trait still going strong in all our Cooney's ha ha Shouldn't laugh as he was actually brought up on a charge for it. He was cleared as accidental just as well as some poor soles were shot for intentional wounding in them days.

Anyway it was a pretty sad end, he was there from the start and last until two month before the end then he was killed, fought in most of the big battles too, really good read.