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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #81 on: Thursday 27 October 22 18:06 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for the information

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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #82 on: Thursday 27 October 22 21:19 BST (UK) »
I have just received the re-scanned image. PM me if you want a copy.

Thank you so much for your help. I have sent a PM

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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #83 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 04:23 GMT (UK) »
I've been inactive for a while but I'm back still trying to solve parents in the line of Thurlow Fraser (1825-1889) (married to Jane Cowie). With your wonderful help we found a father for him - Alexander Fraser married to Christian Burnet.
From the various census records we see that Thurlow Fraser aged 15 is working as a Male Servant in an Inn run by George and Jean Fraser (presumably relatives).

To try and get some perspective of their movements I did this  map linking their places of births and deaths for Alexander Fraser, Christian Burnet, Thurlow Fraser and Jane Cowie.

Alexander Fraser        born Fraserburgh     death Cullen

Christian Burnet        born Pitsligo            death Philorth

Thurlow Fraser            born Fraserburgh        death New Pitsligo

Jane Cowie                born New Deer            death New Pitsligo
They all moved in fairly close proximity in this area of Scotland.
I've added Banffshire in because this is where the 1841 census is taken for Thurlow Fraser (15 yrs old).  Alexander died in 1848 in Cullen so he must have moved there, and his son Thurlow, stayed in Banff with family (also Frasers) at the Inn where he worked as a Male Servant.  Pitty the name of the Inn is not given.  I would guess that Christian Burnet was with Alexander in Cullen at his death and then moved back to near her old hometown (Philorth near Pitsligo)

I'm still not completely satisfied that this Alexander Fraser (married to Christian Burnet) are Thurlow's parents.  Are there any actual birth notices available that can show this?

We have Thurlow and Jane's actual marriage certificate but no birth or baptism certificate.

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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #84 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 06:19 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 census, Thurlow is in the house of his older brother George.
Perhaps go back and read through this thread again (or print it out) so you can pick up the information you might have missed

Thurlow’s parents are named on his marriage certificate. This information comes directly from Thurlow. I would think he knew who his parents were.
Why do you doubt him? What evidence do you have that these are not his parents?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)


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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #85 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 06:46 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 census, Thurlow is in the house of his older brother George.
Perhaps go back and read through this thread again (or print it out) so you can pick up the information you might have missed

Thurlow’s parents are named on his marriage certificate. This information comes directly from Thurlow. I would think he knew who his parents were.
Why do you doubt him? What evidence do you have that these are not his parents?

Hi Neale1961
Thanks for your quick reply.  Probably because of the 1841 census.  Why was Thurlow, at 15yrs old, away from the family?  Is that our Thurlow in the census, working for family?  In an earlier reply you thought that maybe Thurlow's parents were dead by the time of the 1841 census. See clip I have attached.Alexander's death certificate we have says that he died in Cullen on 30 November 1848 and we have Christian Burnet's death as 1861 • Old Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire..
I think I must do as you suggest, and print out all the notes shared on RootsChat.  It's quite hard to jump backwards and forwards online.

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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #86 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 06:56 GMT (UK) »
It is quite normal to see young teenagers away from home for work at this time in history.
I don’t think there is anything unusual about this being the case for Thurlow.
The 1841 census was taken during the summer. Who knows? - we can speculate that Thurlow went to visit his brother, and earned his keep by working at the Inn.

In my reply #66, I speculated that Thurlow’s parents were dead, but that was BEFORE, their details were known. It is important to read and consider replies in the order in which they are posted.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #87 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi! I was the original poster and was away for while. I have just caught up on this and am happily amazed at the interest it's gotten. I loved reading about the family roots and different branches.
I did some research into the line I was specifically targeting and have found what I was looking for.

Thirlow Fraser
BIRTH
22 Jul 1858
New Deer, Aberdeenshire, Scotland

DEATH
9 Jan 1940 (aged 81)
Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Metropolitan Borough of Newcastle upon Tyne, Tyne and Wear, England

BURIAL
St. Nicholas' Churchyard
Cramlington, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England

Family Members
Parents:

William Findlay Fraser
1817–1904

Isabella Mitchell Fraser
1822–1904

Children: Only one child is found.

Maybe he had more with another wife? Was he married again?
"Tracing back, there is a marriage between a Thirlow Fraser, farm servant, aged 25, living Old Deer  and Mary Park, aged 19,   on 22 Nov 1884, Belhelvie. His parents are given as William Fraser, Ag Lab and Isabella, m.s. Mitchell"

Son
Charles Fraser
BIRTH
9 Nov 1881
Aberdeenshire, Scotland

DEATH
28 Nov 1952 (aged 71)
Winnipeg, Greater Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

BURIAL
Brookside Cemetery
Winnipeg, Greater Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

Family Members:

Parents:
Thirlow Fraser
1858–1940

No mention of a mother. Thirlow seems have been a very young father.
Charles was known by his descendants to have been adopted out.
Possible mother was an Elspeth Skene?

Spouse
Helen Harley Whittet Reid Fraser
1893–1994 (m. 1912

Grandparents:

Parents of William Findlay Fraser - Alexander Fraser, forester and Christina m.s. Burnett.
Alexander Fraser and Christian Burnett were married 19 Jan 1806 Fraserburgh.

William Findlay Fraser
BIRTH
3 Mar 1817
Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire, Scotland



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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #88 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi! I was the original poster and was away for while. I have just caught up on this and am happily amazed at the interest it's gotten. I loved reading about the family roots and different branches.
I did some research into the line I was specifically targeting and have found what I was looking for.

Hi daisypetals01. 

I am very happy you did start this discussion as it broke open a brick wall for my wife's g.grandfather Alick Thurlow Fra(z)er. Would love to catch up with you to see what Fraser tree you have

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Re: The name "Thirlow" or Thurlow Fraser
« Reply #89 on: Wednesday 25 January 23 19:24 GMT (UK) »
It is quite normal to see young teenagers away from home for work at this time in history.
I don’t think there is anything unusual about this being the case for Thurlow.
The 1841 census was taken during the summer. Who knows? - we can speculate that Thurlow went to visit his brother, and earned his keep by working at the Inn.

All noted thanks.