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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 26 October 13 11:17 BST (UK) »
Hi BR

I would not put much credence on the birth place, he may have been born in and around the London area, and moved to Bethnal Green when he was a child, and thought that was where he was born

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 26 October 13 11:50 BST (UK) »
Wow MargP, those 2 sources of baptism and 1861 census look really interesting. Thank you!
I've also found who I think is the same Thomas in
1891 England Census
Thomas Ryan   53
Mary Ann Ryan   52
Thomas Ryan   25
living in St Pancras.

There's also a wedding bann for a Thomas Peter Ryan and a MaryAnn Foreman from 1861 in Hackney but he lists his occupation as a packer.

I'm trying to work out if it is indeed William's father as William put on army and census records that he was born in Bethnal Green - trying to work out where that came from!

Hi,

I think the second family are here in 1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VRJ8-MZS. Thomas is a packer.
However, the one you found is a pensioner which looks better.
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 26 October 13 12:00 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this is the one from 1891 - the pensioner

1881 229/90/30

Thos. Ryan 44 yrs civil service b Bloomsbury
Mary Ann 43 yrs
Thos. 17 yrs
Edward 14 yrs
Wm. 13 yrs
John 11  yrs

This William would be too old.  :(
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 26 October 13 14:01 BST (UK) »
This doesn't help me on the parents front but I found a 1901 census with

William Ryan born abt 1878 Camberwell, London, England
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staying in Southwark with

John Conner   82
Julia Conner   80
Ellen Conner   49
Sydney G Vincent   24

The reason I suspect it might be my G-Grandfather is because this William is a hotel waiter (or at least I think that's what his occupation spells out). I know William spent all his life working in hotels and pubs as a cook.

Really appreciate all the help everyone - it's great to get some fresh perspective.

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 26 October 13 17:40 BST (UK) »
This doesn't help me on the parents front but I found a 1901 census with

William Ryan born abt 1878 Camberwell, London, England
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staying in Southwark with

John Conner   82
Julia Conner   80
Ellen Conner   49
Sydney G Vincent   24

The reason I suspect it might be my G-Grandfather is because this William is a hotel waiter (or at least I think that's what his occupation spells out). I know William spent all his life working in hotels and pubs as a cook.

Really appreciate all the help everyone - it's great to get some fresh perspective.

I thought he was a possibility in reply #12  ;D
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 26 October 13 17:49 BST (UK) »
Have you searched 1911 census?

There is a William born Bethnal Green on FS free index here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWL3-8F8

Hi BR,

Another which doesn't help with parents but did you look at this one?
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 27 October 13 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Whoops, forgot you gave me that lead heywood. Serves me right for not rereading what we've covered already!
I was trying to match the 1911 census mentioned before with Electoral Rolls but wasn't coming up with anything concrete. All the William Ryans in Pancras at the time are close by but at different addresses and there's no evidence it's definitely a particular one.
MargP, think all your leads with the schools and baptisms were good but think those Williams are just too old to be the one I need.

So frustrating to not have anything concrete. I suppose I could just save up and then order all the birth certificates of William Ryans born in 1878 in London!

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 27 October 13 10:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi

1881 Census,Westminster Union School

William Ryan b 1875 Westminster

1891 Census, Westminster St Johns Certified Industrial School

William Ryan b 1876 Westminster

I will throw this one in the mix

All christened Jan 7 1874,Father Thomas Ryan, Occupation Mariner, Mother Mary Ann Ryan, living  at, it looks like Summonds Rd, Bermondsey, St James Southwark

Thomas Ryan b 12 March 1866
WILLIAM RYAN b April 7 1872
Henry Ryan b 5 Dec 1873

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Hi, I wonder if there are any Admission records for either on these Institutions
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Coley Dudley.
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Proud Walsall.Proud Cape South Africa
Horton Darlaston.
Stanton Walsall.
Tudor. Radnorshire
Pittaway. Droitwich