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Offline ChrissieL

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 25 August 13 17:10 BST (UK) »
I think we can discount the William Chs Ryan I mentioned earlier on the 1881 census. I found the family on the 1891 census RG12/316/14/25
Their surname is written as RYMER and this follows through the following census returns. That William Chas is a hairdresser! 
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 25 August 13 17:23 BST (UK) »
That 1881 census had me completely stumped. Thanks so much Chrissie for at least helping me discount that information.

I just found a note I haven't mentioned before that said John Ryan may have possibly lived in the Notting Hill area. But that isn't based on anything other than family information.

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 25 August 13 18:40 BST (UK) »
I think we can discount the William Chs Ryan I mentioned earlier on the 1881 census. I found the family on the 1891 census RG12/316/14/25
Their surname is written as RYMER and this follows through the following census returns. That William Chas is a hairdresser! 
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Now I thought I had found them as Allen  ;D but now I see the Rymer family!
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 25 August 13 18:59 BST (UK) »
Not much help but there is a William here:

1901  371/64/33
Newington
John Conner 82 yrs
Julia Conner 80 yrs
Ellen Conner daur 49 yrs
Sydney G Vincent grandson 24 yrs
William Ryan  visitor 23 yrs  Waiter Hotel Camberwell

There are a couple of Williams born abt 1878 in 1891 - one is in an orphanage  :-\
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 25 August 13 20:26 BST (UK) »
You mentioned that William Ryan may have married a Kate. It's a bit of a long shot but there is a marriage  on FreeBMD of a William Ryan and Catherine M Shrubb in the Sep Qtr 1935 Pancras 1b 195.  This is the same registration District of the marriage to Ellen Sankey.
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 25 August 13 21:04 BST (UK) »
Have you searched 1911 census?

There is a William born Bethnal Green on FS free index here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWL3-8F8

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #15 on: Monday 26 August 13 13:48 BST (UK) »
Heywood, I've marked that entry in the 1911 as a possible match however it lists his occupation as a Hotel porter when he was always a cook in all the other information I have. Could a porter have also acted as a cook?
I've always had a sneaking suspicion he probably attended an orphanage - the lack of information about his parents definitely points in that direction any way.

ChrissieL, that could possibly be his second marriage. To my knowledge, the marriage never produced children and by the time William Ryan moved to Liverpool to live with his son William Charles Ryan, Kate had either passed away or had left him.

Do you think there is any other way to try to find out more information about him? I live in London so it wouldn't be very hard for me to visit places if information they had wasn't available online.

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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #16 on: Monday 26 August 13 18:33 BST (UK) »
I've always had a sneaking suspicion he probably attended an orphanage - the lack of information about his parents definitely points in that direction any way.•Born late 1878 in Bethnal Green

There is a Walter Ryan aged 10, who is listed in the London Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records. Dated about 1889
Bethnal Green poor Law Union. Residence - Shoreditch
 August 12th
Walter Ryan aged 10
Alfred Ryan aged 5
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Re: Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878
« Reply #17 on: Monday 26 August 13 18:58 BST (UK) »
Now there is another Poor Law record  1889, which may be the same boys but the ages are different.
There are  8 children with mother Sarah who seems to have been deserted by her husband.
I think this may be the family in 1891, and now we have a William aged 12

1891 Bethnal Green.
Sarah Ryan 39 M upholster b Bethnal Green
William Ryan 12  all children b Shoreditch
Sidney Ryan 11
Emma Ryan 9
Walter Ryan 7
Ada Ryan 6
Alfred Ryan 2

Now there is a problem that Sarah Mowatt married William Ryan 15th October 1876 Shoredich.
He is an upholsterer and that doesn't seem to match at all  ???
His father is a Patrick Ryan a stoker.

 This isn`t working out too well.
 


 

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