Mystery of William Ryan, born 1878

[MargP]

Thanks Heywood!
garstonite, my Great-Grandmother was named Ellen Sankey and she married William Ryan in 1917. Sadly, she died a year later giving birth to my Grandfather. My Grandfather went to live in Liverpool with his Mum's side of the family.
MargP, do you know where that school was? The birth year is slightly off but I'd like to see what occupation the father of Henry and William had.

Sorry Westminster

[BR]

garstonite, yes all of Ellen's family were from Liverpool.

[jan57]

 BR

 Bell St   runs  between Lisson Grove  and Edgware Rd   in London ,   Salisbury  St  is off Bell St . All  are  in Marylebone  area 

MargP, do you know where that school was? The birth year is slightly off but I'd like to see what occupation the father of Henry and William had

[garstonite]

garstonite, yes all of Ellen's family were from Liverpool.

were they C of E or Roman Catholic ?

[BR]

Very Roman Catholic!
Thanks MargP and jan57.

[MargP]

BR

 Bell St   runs  between Lisson Grove  and Edgware Rd   in London ,   Salisbury  St  is off Bell St . All  are  in Marylebone  area 

MargP, do you know where that school was? The birth year is slightly off but I'd like to see what occupation the father of Henry and William had

No occupation given, it states the school was in Westmister

[MargP]

Hi

1881 Census,Westminster Union School

William Ryan b 1875 Westminster

1891 Census, Westminster St Johns Certified Industrial School

William Ryan b 1876 Westminster

I will throw this one in the mix

All christened Jan 7 1874,Father Thomas Ryan, Occupation Mariner, Mother Mary Ann Ryan, living  at, it looks like Summonds Rd, Bermondsey, St James Southwark

Thomas Ryan b 12 March 1866
WILLIAM RYAN b April 7 1872
Henry Ryan b 5 Dec 1873

Margp

[MargP]

Hi

1861 Census Royal Navy Vessal the James Watt

Thomas Ryan b 1839, London, Single, occ Private R M

Margp

[BR]

Wow MargP, those 2 sources of baptism and 1861 census look really interesting. Thank you!
I've also found who I think is the same Thomas in
1891 England Census
Thomas Ryan   53
Mary Ann Ryan   52
Thomas Ryan   25
living in St Pancras.

There's also a wedding bann for a Thomas Peter Ryan and a MaryAnn Foreman from 1861 in Hackney but he lists his occupation as a packer.

I'm trying to work out if it is indeed William's father as William put on army and census records that he was born in Bethnal Green - trying to work out where that came from!