Weir Family Belfast

[kingskerswell]

Hi,
   John Weir married Mary Gilbert in Jan 1879 in High Street Methodist Church, Shankill, Lurgan.

Regards

[Gilby]

Ooh, thank-you.  How did you find that?  (I'm fairly new to this) 

How do you think I could go about trying to find out if this Mary Gilbert's parents were indeed William John Gilbert and Ellen Orr Killen?

[aghadowey]

Only fathers are listed on marriage certificates. Mary Gilbert, father- Richard. m. 1879 John Weir, father- Robert.

[Gilby]

Hm, interesting.  Maybe that's not my Mary (aka Minnie) then.

Minnie's uncle referred to a niece "Minnie Weir" in his will.  Then when I came across a Mary Gilbert Weir I thought that had to be her.  Back to square one though if her father's name was in fact Richard (should be William John).

[aghadowey]

PRONI has Will of Richard Gilbert- " The Will of Richard Gilbert late of Ballinacorr County Armagh Farmer who died 20 July 1891 at same place was proved at Armagh by George Blaney Roland of Ballinacorr National School Teacher the sole Executor."

Will mentions daughter Anna Gilbert, daughter "Mary or Minnie Weir", grandson Gilbert Weir.

[Gilby]

Interesting.  Maybe Minnie isn't a daughter of William John afterall.

I've also seen a marriage record of 21st November 1855 in Aghalee (village next door to Aghagallon where my Gilberts were from) a Sally Gilbert, daughter of Stephen Gilbert marrying Robert Gilbert, son of Thomas Gilbert.

If this Sally Gilbert is a sister of Stephen Gilbert (brother of William J. Gilbert, and therefore also son of a Stephen Gilbert), and it was her that had a daughter Mary, it would explain why Stephen referred to a niece Minnie Weir in his will when he died in 1902.


[I feel bad for hijacking this thread- maybe I should make my own??]

[aghadowey]

You can use 'report to moderator' to ask for the last bit of this topic to be split into a separate thread (and moved to Ireland General board since there are several counties involved).

Stephen Gilbert (son of Stephen) m.1857 Lurgan district to Sarah Ann Bell (daughter of Edward).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCN-NZ3

Stephen (d.1902) Gilbert's Will mentions lots of relatives which should make drawing out a family tree much easier- wife Sarah Ann; sister Margaret Ann Rountree in N.Z.; nieces: Annie Price, Mary Gilbert, Geanie Gilbert, Ealenor Gilbert; nephew Edward Gilbert's sons, N.Z.; nephews: William Gilbert, Stephen Gilbert, Henry Gilbert; executors William Gilbert, merchant, Belfast & Jonathan Gilbert, farmer, Aghagallon.

As the family seem to be Methodist (Stephen's Will mentioned a bequest to Moira Circuit) keep an eye out for other Gilberts who were Methodist.

[dathai]

P R O N I Will
William John Gilbert died 6 aug 1880 left his house and lands on Antrim rd known as 9 Castleton?Park to beloved wife Ellen Orr. value 10,349pds 15s 2d. no children mentioned.
 dont know if this is your sarah?
1901 census of Carleton st Portadown,Armagh
Mary Elizabeth Weir age 22 national teacher head,
Sara Gilbert Weir age 21 sister, bookkeeper/typist both Methodist

[aghadowey]

William John Gilbert died 1880 (father- Stephen) m.(1851) Ellen Catherine Killen died after 1880 (father- Edward).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGCQ-WLL

Children of William John Gilbert & Ellen Orr Killen-
Jane McCausland Gilbert (c1860-1908)
     “Probate of the Will of Jane McCausland Gilbert late of 2 Sandown park Knock Belfast Spinster who died 26 July 1908 at Portstewart County Londonderry granted at Belfast to William Gilbert Merchant and Thomas Stephen Gilbert Civil Engineer.”
Ellenor/Eleanor (1866) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR4Q-CFP
     1911- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Irwin_Avenue/230849
     Died 1930 Canada- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLG6-7LN
     “Gilbert Eleanor of Landsdown Road Uplands Victoria British Columbia Canada spinster died 30 August 1930 Probate Belfast 5 May to Thomas Young Ekin seed merchant. Effects £450.”
(male) Gilbert (1869) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPDV-FRD
Henry Gilbert (1870) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPR4-GFX
     1901- Henry Gilbert (30), sisters Jane M (41) & Eleanor (33), niece Eleanor Mary (5)
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Carrickfergus_Rural/West_Division/992260

Online family tree (with mistakes) gives details on the family, including Mary/Minnie born c1858.