William Paul, Scotland to New Zealand

[apanderson]

Hi everyone,

My apologies Lu - as James said, I'm knee deep with stuff.

No excuse for not replying though!

Thank you for all your help, we could never have come on this far without the help of kind folks on this board.

Anne 

[Lucy2]

Hi James and Anne

Thanks for the messages ... and clarification.   

Have some further information for you - too late to post it right now -  will add it tomorrow.

   ~  Lu 

[jamesnpaul]

Hi Lu,
Good to have your message,cannot wait to have your message tomorrow,many thanks for all your kind support and time,a big help.
My Grandmother,a Hamilton,had relatives in Otago since 1840,s,us Scots certainly travelled.
Every Good Wish,
James

[jamesnpaul]

Hello Lu,
Robert Paul,(brother of William Paul)a 2 yr child,Margaret Paul, is noted to have died on the vessel,"Columbus",11th Oct 1864,Auckland,"The Southern Cross",have found the only Margaret of a date around this childs birth,the only one is a Margaret,B-1863,Oct,Illigitimate,born to a Margaret Paul,Farm servant,reg in Falkirk,Stirlingshire,not far from Killearn,maybe the wee one who died on the "Columbus",cannot be certain.
Warmest,
James

[Lucy2]

Lucy - Yes, William did have a younger brother Robert, born 1835/36 at Drumbeg, Killearn.

I think I might have found them arriving in NZ (via Auckland City Library).

William Paul, aboard 'Belgravia', arriving May 10th 1861
Robert Paul, aboard 'Columbus', arriving October 10th 1864

Hello Lu,
Robert Paul,(brother of William Paul)a 2 yr child,Margaret Paul, is noted to have died on the vessel,"Columbus",11th Oct 1864,Auckland,"The Southern Cross"   .....

Hi James

Will start with Robert PAUL.   (It was actually Anne who found the "Belgravia" and Columbus" passenger lists.)

I can tell you though, that the Robert PAUL per "Columbus" 1864, is not the brother of your William PAUL.  [This Robert hailed from Paisley ... was born c. 1835, died at Auckland in 1918 and was the husband of Margaret (nee KERR).  Besides the death of their daughter Margaret, a son (Andrew Columbus PAUL) was born to the couple, during the voyage.  Source: Tree online at Ancestry. ]

I am also of the view that the William PAUL (arrived at Auckland 1865 per "Belgravia"), is not the William who went on to live in Palmerston, Otago.           

It would be of great benefit to this search, to have a (printout) copy of your William PAUL's death record (1908).    In a New Zealand death record of that era, provision is made to include the following information ; -  Place of birth / Parent's names - father's occupation & mother's maiden name / to whom the deceased was married and at what age, the locality marriage took place / name and maiden name and current age of widow / number of years the deceased lived in NZ / the ages of male and female children who survive the deceased:     Accuracy of information though, is of course dependent on the knowledge of the informant to the death.  [Unfortunately NZ marriage records prior to (late) 1880, contain only the names of the bride and groom, sometimes their ages, the date and place where they wed, and the names of witnesses - which won't be of much help here. ]

   ~  Lu           

[Lucy2]

Emigrants to New Zealand - Passenger Lists :

Please be aware that it is not always possible to determine exactly when and how a person arrived in New Zealand.   

The bulk of passenger lists (in NZ records), relate to emigrants who came to the country by way of immigration schemes put in place by the various (provincial) governments of the time.   Some schemes offered fully or partly-funded passages - others also included enticements such as land grants.   With a few exceptions, the immigration passenger lists are largely for persons who travelled directly to NZ from UK ports.

Records are scant (or non-existent), for those arriving in NZ from other countries (including from Australia);  for persons who paid their own fares or who were "sponsored" by relatives already residing in the Colony;  for those who worked their passages (as crew on ships) etc. :   And although there were numerous passenger lists published in newspapers, it does not always follow that there will be additional information (e.g. ages, place of origin, etc,) available.
 


     

[Lucy2]

Robert PAUL - continued :

When I discovered the death notice for Robert PAUL (1887 at Greymouth), and along with the fact that it had been published (seemingly only) in the Otago newspaper, my thoughts were that brother William PAUL (living at Palmerston, Otago) had arranged publication of this - quite probably because Robert had no immediate family of his own.   I still hold that view.   

But happily, some more information on Robert PAUL has come to light. 

The "Grey River Argus" (Westland), has the following >

-  10 August 1887 - page 2 / column 2 -- Funeral Notice (strangely it gives his name as "Robert A. PAUL" ? )

-  11 August 1887 -- an account of his funeral which confirms he was the assistant road overseer (for Grey County).   It mentions that the chief mourners were the County chairman along with Councillors of the Grey County.   [So it would seem he had no family present. ]
   

[Lucy2]

More on Robert PAUL ...

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Grey River Argus" - 9 August 1887

A form of Obituary for Robert PAUL :   Explains the circumstances of his death ... confirms he was a native of Drymen, Scotland ... and that he was on "old hand" on the West Coast (of NZ), having been a long-time goldminer.
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I've gone back through the newspapers for some years and have possibly found him (on the West Coast) as early as 1872.   There was however another man of the same name in the area and confusion (at times) as to which was which.    Will anyway, add further details on this, tomorrow.

  ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Robert PAUL - continued

Archives New Zealand (Christchurch office) hold the following Probate files - there are two files in fact, for the same Robert PAUL - which may mean there is a lot of information to be had ?     .

It is possible to ask on this board for a look-up of the files by one of our very kindly RootsChatters in the Christchurch area.
Please note though, that some special conditions apply to sourcing records at Christchurch (due to post-earthquake issues) and that a small fee may apply.   All details are on the home page of the Archives NZ website.

http://archway.archives.govt.nz

Please also see the "instructions" in the Resources Section of this NZ board, on how to post a (separate) request for a look up of records.

At the link given above, you'll be able to find the reference details for the Probate files, which you'll need to include in any look-up request.
[In searchbox enter "Robert PAUL" ... and go to page 6 of results, to locate. ]

PAUL - Robert - Greymouth - Road Overseer -- Year, 1888 (ex Hokitika Court)

PAUL - Robert - Greymouth - Road Overseer -- Year, 1887 (ex Greymouth Court)