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Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« on: Thursday 19 September 13 13:00 BST (UK) »
Her birth certificate does not name a father. Her mother is Mary Solman. Elizabeth Solman, her grandmother of Dacre Street, Lee, Kent, registers the birth (8 Oct 1840) and she is registered as Frances Hue. This would suggest that Frances was born out of wedlock and lived initially with her grandparent/s. A year later, in the 1941 census Frances appears as a single entry, aged 8 months, but, according to the original entry, living with the family Wenham in the same street as her grandmother.

Her mother, Mary Solman, appears in the 1841 census as working in Woolwich Dockyard as a servant, and also listed is her eventual step father, Philip Sayers, a Gunner with the Royal Horse Artillery. On 25 Mar 1849 Mary Solman marries Philip Sayers in Carlisle and from then until her marriage to David Thomas Fraser, Frances takes her step-father's name (Sayers) on the census.

However, on her marriage certificate her father is shown to be Lachorne (Zachome?) Hue, valet, deceased. Her marriage certificate records her maiden name as Hue but there is a further ceremony 18 Nov at the Register Office, as Frances' surname had been given "erroneously and inadvertantly" as HUE. Why would this have to be corrected?

Later, at the baptism of her daughter, Charlotte Emma, in 1866 she again records her name as Frances HUE Fraser. This would suggest that she was very aware that she was not a Sayers and wished to retain some link to her biological father.

I can find no other records for her father Lachorne Hue and would welcome any help in this search.

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 19 September 13 13:27 BST (UK) »
Her birth certificate does not name a father. Her mother is Mary Solman. Elizabeth Solman, her grandmother of Dacre Street, Lee, Kent, registers the birth (8 Oct 1840) and she is registered as Frances Hue.

Birth is registered with surname Solmon


Oct/Nov/Dec 1840
Lewisham
Ref 5 260
Frances Hue Solmon
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 19 September 13 15:21 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat :)

The baptism record doesn't add much, I'm afraid, other than a London address.

Frances Hue SOLMAN, born 8 October 1840, daughter of Mary SOLMAN (no occupation) of Southampton Mews, was baptised at St Pancras on 9 November 1840.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 19 September 13 15:58 BST (UK) »
[quote author=waf1 link=topic=662025.msg5074969#msg5074969 date=137



Later, at the baptism of her daughter, Charlotte Emma, in 1866 she again records her name as Frances HUE Fraser. This would suggest that she was very aware that she was not a Sayers and wished to retain some link to her biological father
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Not sure you can make this conclusion
After all, her name was Frances Hue Fraser.  She was born Frances Hue Solmon and married Mr Fraser. So she is just using her name!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 19 September 13 16:10 BST (UK) »
However, on her marriage certificate her father is shown to be Lachorne (Zachome?) Hue, valet, deceased. I can find no other records for her father Lachorne Hue and would welcome any help in this search.

Could you post the snippet of certificate with her deceased father's name on, so that we can perhaps decipher quite what the name is?

Josey
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 19 September 13 16:12 BST (UK) »
A birth cert doesn't give a surname,it assumes that the surname is the same as the mother's whether married or not.So the two names on it are her christian names.
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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 19 September 13 16:18 BST (UK) »
There was a death of a Lancelot Hue   ??? in 1841 - nowhere near Kent though.
Deaths Jun 1841
Hue    Lancelot   St Geo Han Sqe    1   15
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 19 September 13 16:24 BST (UK) »
There was a death of a Lancelot Hue   ??? in 1841 - nowhere near Kent though.

I had a look at him but this may be a child's death - possibly he is the Lancelot Hue, son of William Bromsall Hue, architect, and Sarah, of Ebury Place - born 1 May 1834 and baptised at St Peter's, Eaton Square (in the parish of St George Hanover Square) on 22 June 1834.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Searching for father of Frances Hue/Sayers/Fraser
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 19 September 13 16:38 BST (UK) »
The father's name looks to be Lachorne, Lachome, Lacherne or possibly Lacheine Hue in the original parish register for the 24 Sep 1863 marriage of Frances "Hue" and David Thomas Fraser.

Added: for some reason I can't post the snippet on this board so have done so at post #206 on the "Adding Images" thread:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=370538.msg5075272;topicseen#new
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)