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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 September 13 19:47 BST (UK) »
Mike Arthurs killed in mine accident 1903 Wyoming-
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wymining/explosion.html
Details from Find A Grave entry

Have you looked into obtaining any of the research mentioned (family recollections, etc.)?
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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 September 13 19:59 BST (UK) »
WWI draft registration gives John Arthur born 4 June 1882. One online family tree gives wife as Cora Maude.

1930 Census shows Jack Arthurs born Wyoming (again) and parents born Ireland (not Northern Ireland).

Added- obituary for Jack's daughter Lillian-
http://www.kialoa2.com/memoriam/memoriam03.htm

This story says Jack possibly born Wyoming OR Ireland-
http://www.kialoa2.com/memoriam/memoriam01.htm

You are definately not ready to do any Irish research yet.
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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 29 September 13 20:19 BST (UK) »
Have you tried contacting them to see if any newspaper accounts list Mike's age?
http://www.hannabasinmuseum.com/
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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 29 September 13 20:26 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm afraid to say that you are going about your tree incorrectly.

You will need to go by facts as opposed to family lore.

You need your Mum's birth cert first to get her Mother's CORRECT maiden name.

You will the need to get your Grandparents marriage cert.

ONLY THEN can you even start to look for your Grandfather in Ireland.

Tara

Thanks for your reply. Any advice on locating marriage certificates would be appreciated. They seem to be very hard to find. I have no idea exactly where or when Maude and Jack got married. Interestingly, I know that after Maude and Jack moved to California, they were divorced at some point, and when Maude died (link) in 1939, she had remarried and was Maude Bassett. I don't know Mr. Bassett's first name, although I have seen a family photo of them together, and am unsure of the dates of either divorce or marriage. And, despite much searching I have been unable to find any records regarding them, which seems odd, and makes me doubly unsure of being able to find any record of Jack and Maude's marriage.

I know exactly where Ballymena and Dungannon are but it's highly unlikely that the 1893 birth is for your Elizabeth Arthurs.

Will do a bit of digging in U.S. records with the details you've posted and see if I can find something on their Irish origins.

The GRO, Roscommon form is really designed for people requesting their own certificate but you can order a cheeper research certificate with just the name, year/quarter, registration district, volume and page numbers. However, you aren't really ready to order anything yet.

Thank you very much. Additional things I have found in U.S. records are: The 1930 Census (link) for Jack and Maude Arthurs, where my mother and her half sister were during the 1920 Census (link), Maude's entry on Find a Grave (link) (I have been completely unable to find any other death information on her, although I know she died at the Woodland Memorial Hospital in California), and a possible death entry for Jack Arthurs in 1939(link). I understand that he froze to death while traveling back to Montana to a job after he broke up with Maude.

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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 29 September 13 20:41 BST (UK) »
Have you tried contacting them to see if any newspaper accounts list Mike's age?
http://www.hannabasinmuseum.com/
Mike Arthurs killed in mine accident 1903 Wyoming-
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wymining/explosion.html
Details from Find A Grave entry

Have you looked into obtaining any of the research mentioned (family recollections, etc.)?

No I haven't tried that. Those are excellent ideas. Thank you.

WWI draft registration gives John Arthur born 4 June 1882. One online family tree gives wife as Cora Maude.

1930 Census shows Jack Arthurs born Wyoming (again) and parents born Ireland (not Northern Ireland).

Added- obituary for Jack's daughter Lillian-
http://www.kialoa2.com/memoriam/memoriam03.htm

This story says Jack possibly born Wyoming OR Ireland-
http://www.kialoa2.com/memoriam/memoriam01.htm

You are definately not ready to do any Irish research yet.

I am aware of all of those, except the WWI draft registration and the Cora Maude. The Cora Maude sounds different (Maude is the first name, not the last). Where did you find the draft registration?

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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 29 September 13 20:48 BST (UK) »
The 1939 Montana death is unfortunate if it is Jack as the informant is unlikely to have known his exact place and date of birth, parents' names, etc.

Should clarify "Cora Maude" the name on the tree is Cora Maude Watkins. You can view 2 family trees (one with wife Cora and other with Cora Maude) on Mundia or Ancestry.

WWI draft registration card for John Arthurs (meant to include the link earlier)- click '.' to see both sides of card- box for native born is ticked which again indicates he wasn't born in Ireland.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K8QJ-4M5
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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 29 September 13 20:58 BST (UK) »
What do you know about Elizabeth? we might have more luck traacking records for her down.
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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 29 September 13 21:03 BST (UK) »
What do you know about Elizabeth? we might have more luck traacking records for her down.

Very, very little. She may have come to California with them, but if so I have been unable to find anything. I vaguely recall an "Aunt Lizzie," who might have married a man who worked around the farm who's name was pronounced "Saeger." He died when I was a boy, and I recall a conversation about how he was going to be buried "by the county at Napa (California)," as he had little money.

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Re: How to go about retrieving a birth certificate using the Civil Reg Index info?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 29 September 13 21:19 BST (UK) »
Interesting from the Hanna Basin Museum burial records page for the Hanna Cemetery:

Arthurs, Jack
Monument: "1882-1937; Born in Ireland"
Plot: 1
Age: 55
Note 1: USC and CCA, Jack married Maude Watkins. Maude was born in Carbon. They had one child Lillian Arthurs born Feb. 29, 1908 in Hanna, Carbon, Wyoming died March 29, 2003 in Dixion Wyoming.



That must have been the monument my mother erected to Jack, which I remember hearing about.