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Could I be James IIII ?
« on: Thursday 03 October 13 00:52 BST (UK) »
My first attempt at family history research ever   ???  I'd be grateful for any help in finding my ancestors. My grandfather James William Green (market porter) married ??  His son JWG also (news agent) married my grandmother Emma Shrimpton 14 September 1902 at St Saviours Church, Denmark Hill SE London.  Emma's father, also a James William is down as a dock labourer on the marriage certificate. (Both fathers are deceased at the time of the marriage). I'd like to find out who James and Emma's fathers were married to and also my great grandfather JWG. I have vague memories of my grandmother Emma from my childhood and would love to know more. In addition to producing my father, emma and James also had George, Charles, Sally and 'Lal' (the eldest). 'Charlie' rumour has it,  was so good at safe cracking that he not only 'did time' for it but his talents were used officially during WWII. Any more information would be very gratefuly received. James.

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Re: Could I be James IIII ?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 October 13 00:56 BST (UK) »
Hi

When and where was JWG the newsagent born?  If he was born before 1881 - have you checked the 1881 census for him?

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 October 13 01:00 BST (UK) »
What was Emma's father's name and occupation according to her marriage certificate?

One place to start would be the 1911 census to see if James, Emma and family are together. (common names which might cause a bit of a problem)
Then it is a matter of progressing backwards to the 1901 then 1891 etc censuses.

Agree with Carol re needing to know the age of James - how old were James and Emma when they married? Knowing this might help narrow down the correct James Greens.  :-\

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 October 13 01:05 BST (UK) »
1891 census for Mile End Old Town


James W Green 33 market porter b Spitalfields
Sarah A E   29 b Stepney
Mary E  7mths   ditto
Samuel R   2 b Shadwell
James W   9 b Stepney
Sarah S   7     ditto
Eliza  4   b Whitechapel         
RG12 Piece 305 Folio 11 Page 13

 
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 October 13 01:08 BST (UK) »
Freebmd has a marriage in 1882 Mile End for a  James William Green with a Sarah Hughes on the same page
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 October 13 01:13 BST (UK) »
Marriage Christ Church Stepney 9.4.1882

James William Green 22 porter father Samuel Green (deceased) silk dyer

Sarah Hughes 19 father Robert Hughes (deceased) fisherman

Witnesses Edward A Barton & Sarah Sophia Brooks
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 October 13 01:51 BST (UK) »
Emma Shrimpton bc.1882 Canning Town was the daughter of James Samuel Shrimpton (b.1849 Portsea, Hampshire) and Ann/e Beilby (b.1853 St. Luke, London) who appear to have married in the Dec.quarter 1871 St. Saviour, Southwark.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 October 13 02:01 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat, I am quietly confident that the James W Green that Carole has located in 1891 is the correct one, this is him in 1901 with his mother remarried:-

Joseph Redgrave 60 occ Carpenter & Painter b Rayleigh, Essex
Sarah 36 b Whitechapel
James 17 b Bethnal Green
Charles H 3 b Stepney
James W Green 18 occ Builders Lab b Stepney
Sarah L Green 17 b Stepney
Eliza Green 14 b Whitechapel
Samuel R Green 12 b St George in the East
Mary S Green 10 b Mile End
All Green children shown as Stepchildren
Residing at Libra Road, Bow

Census Ref RG13/341/54/35

Death James William Green Sept qtr 1891 Mile End 1c 329 aged 32
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 October 13 02:53 BST (UK) »
Hi again their is this family in 1861/71 which looks good:-

Samuel Green 32 occ Silk Dyers Lab
Mary 34 b Mile End New Town
Samuel 12
William 10
Mary 8
Sarah 5 b Mile End
James 2
All other than shown born Spitalfields
Residing at 28, Booth Street, Spitalfields
Census Ref RG09/267/29/10

1871 Census (Samuel with a new wife)?

Samuel Green 43 occ Silk Dyer b Spitalfields
Matilda 50 b St George in the East
Mary Ann 18 b Spitalfields
Sarah 15 b Mile End New Town
James 12 b Spitalfields
Elizabeth 9 b Spitalfields
Jane 4 b Spitalfields
Hannah Izzard 83 Widow Mother in Law b Norwich, Norfolk
Residing at 27, Booth Street, Spitalfields
Census Ref RG10/511/37/13

Also, when James William Green married Sarah Hughes he was staying at 57, Silver Street, and one of the witnesses (shown above) was Sarah Sophia Brooks, here he is in 1881:-

Richard Brooks 29 occ Chimney Sweep b Bishopsgate
Sarah 25 b Mile End
Sarah 2 b Mile End
Richard 2 months b Mile End
James Green 21 Brother occ Market Porter b Shoreditch
Elizabeth Green 19 Sister b Spitalfields
Residing at 51, Silver Street, Mile End Old Town
Census Ref RG11/477/101/11
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