Hi there,
Re the 1860 death cert.
Children of the Marriage:
I notice that there were 5 males and 1 female living and 3 males and 2 females deceased. As the informant was the husband of the deceased, this information ought to be fairly reliable.
Have you found independent official sources to confirm those 11 un-named children ? I notice that John McCARTHY’s address at that time was “
on the road to Kiandra, District of Cooma”. I am fairly sure that District was the Police District. I also notice that Mary McCarthy’s death occurred at
Warnbrook.
Death 21 August 1860 at Warnbrook in the District of Cooma, of Mary MC CARTHY, a female aged
34 years.Mary died from Influenza, which she had endured for 10 days, without a Medico attending her.
The informant believed her father’s surname was a butcher, surnamed QUIN. He also believed her mother was Mary QUIN,
but he did not know Mrs Quin’s nee name.
The informant was John Mc CARTHY, the husband of the deceased, and his then address I have already given in this post.
The death was registered at Cooma on 22 August 1860 by John James RYALL, apparently without that chap considering a need for any inquest (sudden death, no medico present). Under the NSW law, The funeral director was not permitted to conduct a burial without either a) a the civil registration process docket being provided (hence John James RYALL registering the death) or b) a burial order issued by a Coroner or at least a Justice of the Peace or a Police Magistrate for any sudden death without a Medico to certify cause of death.
The burial took place same day as the registration process was commenced. Robert KINDER was the Undertaker. The official witnesses were John Mc CARTHY and Mary QUIN. May I please note that
if that Mary was John Mc Carthy’s mother in law, then she actually did NOT provide him with either the given name for his father in law (her husband) or her own nee name that he needed as the informant.
I notice that John McCARTHY was the father to
11 children with his wife Mary. Would you please type up their
names and dates. Do you have any NSW BDM certs for
any civil registration of their births? (not the baptisms, but NSW civil birth registrations commence from March 1856) If so, from that civil registration, please type up all the details given by the informant when registering that birth. Do you have the youngest's birth cert (official transcription) ....
what details were given for that child's older siblings
on that official document please.
Thank you all for your insights. I have most of the documentation with regards death certificates for John McCarthy senior and Mary Quinn junior and the birth certificates for their children (this is how I have been able to track them).
Continuing on from that 1860 dc, John Mc Carthy believed that his wife was from
Dublin, Ireland and that she had been
in New South Wales for 30 years. As Victoria was hived off from NSW in 1851, then it would seem the couple and their children had NOT lived in Victoria. Queensland was hived off from NSW in December 1859. So I would expect to find their children were born in NSW. As mentioned earlier in this post, the dc shows The couple had 11 children, 5 males and 1 female were living when Mary died. 3 males and 2 females had not survived.
You should remove the NSW BDM death cert image that you have attached. It may well be a copyright issue. May I also suggest that you can save some pennies by ordering official transcriptions rather than these "real deal" certificates. NSW BDM’s website actually gives the following info:
"Family history transcription agents provide full and partial transcriptions, or verification of details. A good idea if you only need the facts, and not full certified copies of certificates. …...” http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcriptionRChat thread about this too
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=399.0 leading to
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0 leading to
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html Cheers, JM
