Master Mariner's death

[21dots]

Edward Simmons, Master Mariner.  I have several documents signed by Edward re Marriage Licence plus bond for £200 (he married the next day after signing).  I have a copy of his Admon against his will for £400.  Transcript from All Saints Newcastle for his second marriage.  Numerous Lloyds records for his voyages, also entries in the toll register of Denmark 4 June 1778.  I have been informed that he died at sea, but cannot find any info.  I have tried North and South Shields archives, Newcastle Archives and Woodhorn Archives.

[hanes teulu]

The newspaper report "Sunday, at North Shields ....." wouldn't appear to fit a "died at sea"??

 

[Neil Todd]

Did you read the posts from 'Radcliff'

If he died 1882 as posted: Funeral,from Christ Church Tynemouth , Edw Simmons,Dockwray Square,master, 27th November 1782,

Also left a will: Edward Simmons, master mariner of Dockwray Square ,in the Parish of Tynemouth,Northumberland, date of probate 30th December 1782.

Then it would appear he died at home and left a will which would be available for you to look at.

Neil

[Radcliff]

Well I am surprised you found nothing in North Shields library,I have been there myself and have found numerous newspaper reports for myself ,and other people, they have a card catalogue ,
His burial is correct as I took it from the Scanned Bishops transcripts, if he had died at sea ,his funeral would have been a memorial service,the next time I am over there I will ask the ladies to have a quick look for you,

[hanes teulu]

Edward may have been involved in a sinking of his ship in April 1782?

In May 1780 the Newcastle Courant reported that at North Shields three apprentices had absconded from the ship "Minerva....master Edward Simmons"

In April 1782 the same paper reported "....the Minerva, Simmons, coal load from Shields, for London ...." was forced back into the harbour and drove on land. The crew abandoned ship after staying aboard overnight and the ship "...is since entirely gone to pieces". 

[Radcliff]

Bond in 200 of Edward Simmons of North Shields ,master mariner to John Simmons of Kenstone and others concerning the Fraternity later know as the Provident and Mary,14th May 1780

document at Woodhorn

[Dean1]

I wonder if Yarmouth would be worth looking at - having said that I can't imagine a lot of coal went in or out of Yarmouth.
A lot of trade also took place with Hanseatic nations that far back.
Ipswich is another place that may be worth looking at, also Grimsby.   Kings Lynn was a very busy port in those days.
I have just been lucky enough to find a chap who was not listed as "died at sea" but among "foreign deaths" - presumably he died outside territorial waters (if they had them in those days) and, in fact, he wasn't found straight away - there was an horrific storm in the North Sea and the loss of vessels and all hands in most cases was tremendous along the East Coast - 3 figures I think for vessels, all in one night but this was 1860ish.   

[Radcliff]

Okay I give up on this one,his burial was at Christ church ,Tynemouth,

[21dots]

I agree with Radcliff that it seems very unlikely that Edward died at sea.  This information was from an unknown source so cannot verify it.  He obviously survived the "Minerva" incident in May 1782, because his death was reported in the same paper 30 November 1782.
 The bond for £200 was borrowed from his brother and two others which he could not have repayed  before he died hence the Admin bond on his will for £400.  The Admin Bond tells us nothing other than his widow, her father and her brother were sworn as administrators.