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John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« on: Monday 21 October 13 09:12 BST (UK) »
Just joined - glad to be on board. I'm looking for any information about John Hutchinson, b. 1821 in Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire. All I know is that he married Margaret Taylor (b. 1821 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire). (We think she was formerly married - married name Binney or Binnie.) They apparently moved to Birkenhead, England as their son, John Hutchinson, was born there in 1856. Our family tree is stuck at this point and we are trying to find out the names of his parents. Any help would be hugely appreciated.

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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 October 13 13:37 BST (UK) »
Hi englishrebel

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Is the source of the place of birth for John snr from a census entry for him? Which census years do you have for him so far (struggling to find them so far in 1861)?

Was this son John's baptism entry?

Baptism: 17 Aug 1856 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John George Hutchinson - [Child] of John Hutchinson & Margaret
    Abode: Tranmere Cheshire
    Occupation: Joiner
    Baptised by: W. R. Duncan Curate
    Register: Baptisms 1856 - 1857, Page 33, Entry 258
    Source: LDS Film 93887 - www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Why do you think Margaret wife was previously married?

Questions, questions.... ;)

Monica
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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 October 13 13:54 BST (UK) »
Hi and welcome to Rootschat, englishrebel.

Is this the family on England's 1871 Census - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBNC-2WC
If so this could mean that John snr. is a bit older than you posted. His year of birth could be 1813/14. :)

Looby :)

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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 October 13 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Looby  :)

That looks like them in 1871 from what you have found. Ancestry have them indexed as Hutchman  ::) Father John is showing as a joiner by occupation, so likely matching that baptism entry from 1856. Not that it may matter, but still can't see them in the general area for 1861.

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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 October 13 14:29 BST (UK) »
Some possibilities to follow up.....

We think that John snr was a joiner by trade. There is this possible 1841 census entry in Scotland:

John Mcphail 23
Elizabeth Mcphail 18
May Mcphail 5
Elizabeth Moses 20
Janet Moses 16
Esabella Ralston 20
John Hutcheson 27 joiner b. Scotland
James Hutcheson 20 mason b. Scotland


Address: 4 Fleet L H, Barony Lanarkshire

Wondered whether this could be John with a brother?

1871 in Lancashire has this https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7Y3-85F This James on the image shows as married and a mason. No sign of his wife/family. Just a lodger living with him.

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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 October 13 14:35 BST (UK) »
Warming up to the possibility that James might connect to John.

1851 shows:

James Hutcherson 32 confectioner b. Newton Stewart
Mary Hutcherson 40 b. Newton Stewart
John Hutcherson 10 b. Newton Stewart
Jane Hutcherson 8 b. Glasgow
James Hutcherson 5 b. Glasgow
William Hutcherson 10 b. Glasgow

Address: 254 Argyle St, Barony Lanarkshire

I put off posting this due to the occupation for James, however in 1861:

Mary Hutcherson 55 mason's wife b. Newton Stewart
John Hutcherson 19 shoe maker, Newton Stewart, Wigtown
Jane Hutcherson 18 b. Glasgow
James Hutcherson 16 Confectioner Appr. b. Glasgow
William Hutcherson 9 b. Glasgow

Address: 26 Rose St Back Land, Glasgow Govan

This might be young William's entry https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY95-GXH

Connections to John Snr still need to be confirmed though....

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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 October 13 14:54 BST (UK) »
1861:
Birkenhead, Cheshire   
John Huchison   41 Born Scotland. Occ Joiner
Margaret Huchison   39 Wife B Scotland
John Huchison   5 Son b Cheshire


Edit
Death of John Hutchiinson
Age 59
Reg 1st qtr 1880 Birkenhead, Cheshire

1881:
Widow Margaret  Hutchinson, aged 60 lived alone at 10 Connors Court, Birkenhead

Death of Margaret Hutchinson
Age 63
Reigstered 4th Qtr 1885 Birkenhead, Cheshire



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Re: John Hutchinson b. 1821 Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 October 13 06:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for the informative responses. All the info once John & Margaret Hutchinson reach Birkenhead, England has been previously verified. I still have relatives in Birkenhead, England and they have access to the actual certificates. That's how I know that Margaret Hutchinson was previously Binney (formerly Taylor). It is on the birth certificate for John George Hutchinson (their son, b. 1856 in Birkenhead. Note: I have Jr's marriage info, etc.).

I know John Hutchinson Sr. was born in Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire, Scotland from the 1861 UK England/Wales Census. His occupation on his son's birth certificate and on all the census is listed as "joiner" so that looks like a positive. I was amazed that several picked up a possible connection to a James Hutchinson, a mason. I had made this tentative connection myself as in the 1861 England/Wales census there is a James Hutchinson, mason, born in 1817 in Newton Stewart, living in W. Deby, Lancashire. He is listed as married but does not have his family with him. Elsewhere (can't quite remember where just now), I found James married to Mary [and I marked in my notes that her last name was Murray-not sure where I got this]. I noted that in the info provided, in 1861 (based on the 1861 Scotland Census) Mary Hutchinson is in Newton Stewart but her husband James is missing. Might he be in Lancashire for work?

In terms of Margaret Hutchinson - Binnie - Taylor, we know she was born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire from the 1881 England/Wales census. I found a marriage for a Margaret Taylor and William Binnie in Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1838. It is promising but I can't verify this is her. I also couldn't find out what happened to William.

I'm still struggling to find the parents of both John Sr. & Margaret [Taylor]. Common names are so hard to verify. In terms of John, I think the next move should be to try to find a John  & James Hutchinson together with the right birth dates & place.

Again, thanks so much for all your help. I truly appreciate it. ~Gillian