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France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« on: Tuesday 22 October 13 10:02 BST (UK) »
Hi, i was wondering anyone could help me i'm trying to find out information on my 3rd x Great Grandparents & Family in France.

Caterine Smagge born about 1823 in France died in 1906 Australia

Xavier Ambroise Matton born 1795 BOLLEZEELE and died 1876 Dunkirk (DUNKERQUE)
(found on http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg59.fr/)

They had 4 kids all born Bollezelle
- Louie Napolion b.1854 d.1857 (not 100% sure if it is there child)
- Chales b.1857 d.Aust
- Louie Auguste b.1859 d.Aust
- Marie Louise Josephine b.1862 d.Aust
(found on http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg59.fr/)

Caterine and her 3 children immigrated to Australia in 1878.

Other info is that Caterine was married prior (to Xavier) to a man with the surname Roseau, they had 3 boys in france and then a daughter Coralie Roseau in about 1849 in Africa. In the War they fled to north africa and her Husband Mr Roseau and her 3 sons all died in Africa, and this is where he daughter Coralie was born.

Family Stories say Caterine was brought up wealthy and she was well educated and was a tailoress, also they might have been related to royaly,  but apparently during the war the lost all there money as it was taken into chancery in england.

When she came back to france and married Xavier she apparently lived at one point in Flanders.

Coralie didnt immigrate with the family as she was married to a man called Harry DeQue/LeCue. They had there own children. Harry died and was buried as a pauper in Dunkirk.

Someone else's tree on the net has Caterine parents as Constantine August SMAGGUE & Francisca BOUCHIES

Also the Family was Catholic

So i was wondering whether anyone could help out with records in france (the only ones i have found are the ones i found on  http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg59.fr/ as stated above).

Would anyone know areas near Bollezelle or Dunkirk that i could search on that site too.

Thanks for reading.
Cherie

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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 10:49 BST (UK) »
Hi both  :)

I checked the actual birth record for Louis Napoléon (p954/1129) and it says Catherine (aged 30) was born in Buysscheure. Any help?

Tati  :)
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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 10:52 BST (UK) »
http://gw.geneanet.org/becuwe?lang=en&v=MATTON&m=N

Xavier Ambroise Matton born 1797 ??...(you have 1795 ) is in this tree the youngest of 6 - which has

Father as Michel Francois Xavier Baudouin Matton
Mother as Michelle Jacoba ......
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford


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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 11:00 BST (UK) »
Hi both  :)

I checked the actual birth record for Louis Napoléon (p954/1129) and it says Catherine (aged 30) was born in Buysscheure. Any help?

Tati  :)
What site did you find this on?

Thanks

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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 11:10 BST (UK) »
I found in on the site you linked to, archives départementales 59. Are you aware you can see the actual registers on there ?

Catherine Barbe Lucie Smagghe, birth registration 9 Sep 1823 (p407/1334). Dad Jean Constant, aged 32, is a "couvreur en paille" (thatcher).
possible brother Laurent Ambroise Smagghe, 21 May 1825, but I didn't check the actual record.

Marriage Jean Constant Smagghe and Françoise Debusscher 8 Nov 1822 in Buysscheure.

 :)

Edit: corrected Catherine's name
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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 11:12 BST (UK) »
No i didnt know, where abouts on the site can you do that?

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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 11:14 BST (UK) »
I found in on the site you linked to, archives départementales 59. Are you aware you can see the actual registers on there ?

Catherine Barbe Reine Smagghe, birth registration 9 Sep 1823 (p407/1334). Dad Jean Constant, aged 32, is a "couvreur en paille" (thatcher).
possible brother Laurent Ambroise Smagghe, 21 May 1825, but I didn't check the actual record.

Marriage Jean Constant Smagghe and Françoise Debusscher 8 Nov 1822 in Buysscheure.

 :)
I've actual heard that her father was a roofer, so a thatcher matches that.

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Re: France: Smagge, Matton & Roseau
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 October 13 11:34 BST (UK) »
No i didnt know, where abouts on the site can you do that?

I'm not sure how you've been using the site so I'm taking it from the start page here
http://www.archivesdepartementales.cg59.fr/?id=archives_online

Select "Etat civil" on the left, the underneath select either "tables décénnales" (10 year indexes) or "Actes".
Let's suppose we want to see Catherine's birth and we've already found the date - 9 Sep 1823 - in the 10-year-index for Buysscheure.   
To see the actual record, select "Actes", then
commune : Buysscheure
période (between 1823 and 1823 to avoid too many records from coming up),
type d'acte : naissances 
click "rechercher".
One result comes up (Births, marriages and deaths 1807 through 1862)
Click on the pic and trawl through the records.

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