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Offline MiriamThomas

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Austrian Great grandfather
« on: Sunday 10 November 13 18:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi, My great grandfather  Victor Raddich (Vitole on his marriage cert) came to Jarrow, Durham  and eventually married Harriet Haydon 11/07/1882.His occupation was mariner.His father John was also a mariner.

On the 1891 Census he is down as Austrian N B Subject. on the 1901 he is down as Austrian (Naturalised) but on the 1911 he is down as Austrian.

After talking with my father he said that Victor was sent to Brampton as a garden during WW1 and that is where he later died.

I would really like to be able to find how he got here, who he came with etc but I have no idea how to go about it.

Please could someone help me out on this. Thankyou in advance

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Re: Austrian Great grandfather
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 15:44 GMT (UK) »
the name looks for me slavic, in fact most croatian.
can be at original RADIC, RADIČ, RADIĆ . ending -ch is not original, also not dd.
croatian phonebook has nearly 1000 results for that names.
write in Radic at -> Tko? Što? and click TRAZI.
http://imenik.tportal.hr/show
Slovenia has nearly 125 results at phonebook for RADIĆ.
Serbia has nearly 200 but those result includes also RADIČEVIĆ.

Croatia was crownland of Austrian-Hungarian Empire until 1918 end of WW1.
you would really need any placename to start research!
AND at austrian (also croatian coast) there where some Marine-habours of Empire. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy#Ports_and_locations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy
habours -> left above take HÄFEN: http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/
http://www.kuk-kriegsmarine.at/
http://mateinfo.hu/n-navy.html

see also as example immigrantshabour Ellisisland-New York where are from most Radic came:
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=RADIC&PLNM=RADIC&first_kind=1&last_kind=0&RF=358&kind=exact&offset=25&dwpdone=1

firstname VICTOR:
GENDER: Masculine
USAGE: English, French, Portuguese, Romanian, Late Roman
PRONOUNCED: VIK-tər (English), veek-TOR (French)
Meaning & History
Roman name meaning "victor" in Latin. It was common among early Christians, and was borne by several early saints and three popes. It was rare as an English name during the Middle Ages, but it was revived in the 19th century. A famous bearer was the French writer Victor Hugo (1802-1885), who wrote 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame' and 'Les Misérables'.
VARIANTS: Vítor (Portuguese), Victorinus, Victorius (Late Roman)
DIMINUTIVE: Vic (English)
FEMININE FORMS: Victoria, Victorina (Late Roman)
OTHER LANGUAGES: Bittor (Basque), Viktor (Bulgarian), Víctor (Catalan), Viktor (Croatian), Viktor (Czech), Viktor (Danish), Vitor (Galician), Viktor (German), Viktor (Hungarian), Vittore, Vittorino, Vittorio, Rino (Italian), Viktoras (Lithuanian), Viktor (Macedonian), Viktor (Norwegian), Wiktor (Polish), Viktor, Vitya (Russian), Viktor (Serbian), Viktor (Slovak), Viktor (Slovene), Víctor, Victorino (Spanish), Viktor (Swedish), Viktor (Ukrainian), Gwythyr (Welsh)

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Re: Austrian Great grandfather
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 December 13 14:59 GMT (UK) »
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/merchantseaman1858-1917.htm
- background reading.  Unfortunately this is likely to be a tough one to crack.

I don't see a naturalisation for him - not unusual. There was a lot of confusion over the categorisation of naturalisation on the censuses and many marked "naturalised" on census records were not. One possibility is that he was sent to Brampton in WWI to be interned as an Austrian subject.

When they married, was it a church wedding? Which denomination? Are the witnesses or addresses of any help? Did he sign his name or make his mark?

http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/tyne-and-wear-archives.html
 - it might be worth seeing what the local archives hold, either in terms of records of seamen, records of immigrants, or similar.
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Re: Austrian Great grandfather
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 December 13 18:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the replies.

I have checked the marriage certificate. Victor signed himself and they were married at the parish church in the parish of St Marys South Shields. My first thought was he may not have been in the country for very long having used his name Vitale (any later documentation he is Victor) but his fathers name is on the certificate as John which in my way of thinking is very anglican.

I am hoping to go to Brampton in the next couple of weeks so I might be able to find more about his life there. Every little helps  :)