Wineyates/Baker

[CaroleW]

The 1861 has again been mis-transcribed as Whneyates and the same distant relative has notified the surname as Whinyates

All b Birmingham

Emma 49
Phillip  16
Maria  22
Florence    20
Cathleen   18
Anna 13
Clara 11
RG9 Piece 2165 Folio 32 Page 7

[SWar]

A strange one
Marriage Sept 1855 Runcorn

Frances Bennett Whinyates
Samuel Pearson ( only 2 on the page)

Sue

[CaroleW]

I had already ruled out that marriage as the 1861 has them in Cheshire - no children and Frances was in her 40's

[CaroleW]

1841 but no Frances - Elizabeth matches her birthyear.  All b Warwickshire

Joseph Whinyates  35 ?? silk/gilt toy maker
Emma  25
Joseph Jnr  11
William  10
Elizabeth 14
Mary Ann   12
Eliza   5
Maria 3
Florence 1
HO107 Piece 1149/8 Folio 13 Page 19

[CaroleW]

Emma was a second wife as some of the 1841 childrens baptisms are on FS showing mother as Ann which would explain the ages in 1841

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV4X-RXT

[0121mariec]

Interesting the 1841 census.  There is already an older Elizabeth in the family, surely they wouldn't call two  living daughters by the same name.
Marie

  You are also quick !Now I understand - second wife etc

[CaroleW]

Ann Whinyates aged 27 spouse Joseph was buried 9.2.1834 St Paul Birmingham
so Frances must be Emma's daughter

[CaroleW]

There is already an older Elizabeth in the family, surely they wouldn't call two  living daughters by the same name.

They don't have 2 Elizabeth's - they have an Elizabeth and an Eliza

[0121mariec]

Thank you all for your help. 
Regards
Marie