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Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« on: Wednesday 27 November 13 11:26 GMT (UK) »
I believe a family member of mine may have been sentenced to Death in summer 1819 for Housebreaking

However someone of the same name is one of the 300 convicts sent to Australia on 27th October 1819 - he was sentenced in Surrey and the William Tiday on the ship was sent from Surrey Assizes - there are a number of men sentenced to Death on the same page as William, one of the others (William Churchward) is also on the same ship

This seem too much of a coincidence to me, could it be the same man?

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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 11:39 GMT (UK) »
I believe less than half the prisoners sentenced to death, in the early 19th century, actually received the death penalty.

A great many of them were transported to Australia instead.

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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 11:46 GMT (UK) »
As Lily said many who were sentenced to death for lesser crimes had their sentences commuted to transportation for life.

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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Apparently most death sentences were commuted. In the years 1800-1834,  91.03% of those sentenced to death were reprieved http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/reprieve.html
In the years up to 1826, there were over 200 crimes which carried a mandatory death sentence and because of that, (as it says on the site) there had to be a means of stopping the wholesale judicial slaughter of minor criminals, if only to prevent a revolution.
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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 14:26 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen his convict conduct report in the Tasmania archives (tab down to prisoner number 107)?
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-42,190,39,L,80

Also a brief description http://tinyurl.com/nwax3lr



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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Quite similar to his grandson's military conduct record to be fair - pretty sure it's the same man

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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Have you seen the Treasury Solicitor's report relating to a later conviction (1822) in VDL? Same man?

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C10550843

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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 16:06 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn't have thought there would be two of them BUT wouldn't being convicted of murder have shown on his conduct report?

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Re: Did Death always mean Death? (1819)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 November 13 16:22 GMT (UK) »
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wouldn't being convicted of murder have shown on his conduct report

There is a reference in the margin to a death sentence in May 1824 with execution respited so it does tie in
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