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COMPLETED: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« on: Monday 06 January 14 16:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

I'm looking for some help finding a family on the 1851 England census. I have the family in 1861 and 1871.

Here are some details of the LYNESS family (all info gleaned from the 61 and 71 censuses);
Head - John LYNESS, born c. 1813 - 1816 in Ireland. Occupation "sugar house labourer".
Wife - Mary LYNESS nee CARLIN, born c. 1818 - 1820 in Ireland.


Children born around or before 1851;
Margaret LYNESS born c. 1844 in Ireland
John LYNESS born c. 1849 in Liverpool
Catherine LYNESS born c. 1852 in Liverpool


Family living at 13 Raymond Street, Liverpool in 61 & 71.

Going off the birth of John c. 1849 in Liverpool the family should be on the 1851 census. I've not been able to find this family in 1851.

Many thanks for reading, Rowan Tree  :)
ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 January 14 17:37 GMT (UK) »
I have looked too but can't see them.  However, it is a very easy name to mistranscribe.   Is it worth getting the birth certificate from 1849, it shows on freebmd, to see what the address was or doing a search to see if they are already at 13 Raymond Street?

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 January 14 17:42 GMT (UK) »
The nearest I can find....
1851 Liverpool
LYONS
John               36   dock lab    Ireland
Mary               34                  ..........
Margt.              6                   Liverpool
Ann                  4                   ............
Mich.Keenan    28                   Ireland
Ann                 23                   ..........
Cath                3                   Wakefield Yorks
Edw.Whitehead 30                 Liverpool
Ann                  27                 ..................

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 January 14 17:46 GMT (UK) »
I definitely agree with pinning down the details of the children whose births span 1851.  (I find "circa" dates so discomfiting!)

Catherine LYNESS born c. 1852 in Liverpool

This (Catholic) baptism, perhaps?


St Anthony's, Liverpool

17 Aug 1851


Cath LINUS, born 9 August 1851 to John & Mary. Godparents James Alpin & Sarah McNully.

Family's address: Pollock St.

Added: John & Mary went on to baptise further children at St Anthony's:

Elizabeth LINAS with LYNESS written above, 8 May 1853 (born 27 Apr).
William LYNAS on 25 March 1855 (born 16 March). 

In each case their address is the same as for Catherine's baptism. If they were in England in 1851 they may well be in Pollock St.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 January 14 18:12 GMT (UK) »
I can't easily find Pollock St in 1851, but it starts at RG9 piece 2731 folio 66 page 35 in 1861.  If you're lucky some of the longer-term residents may be traceable there 10 years earlier.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 January 14 19:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your help and advise.

A particular thanks to "avm228". I hadn't found those baptisms (the various spellings of the name LYNESS is really slowing me down), they seem like such promising leads. I'm also going to get stuck into pinning Pollock Street down in 1851.

Thanks again everyone  :)
ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #6 on: Monday 06 January 14 20:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I have tried to find Pollock Street- not mentioned in street indexes nor are some of the other streets in the neighbourhood.  :-\
Will have another search around too.
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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #7 on: Monday 06 January 14 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I have tried to find Pollock Street- not mentioned in street indexes nor are some of the other streets in the neighbourhood.  :-\
Will have another search around too.
heywood
Heywood, you're a star.

Cheers, Rowan Tree  :)
ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN

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Re: 1851 England Census - John LYNESS
« Reply #8 on: Monday 06 January 14 21:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

It doesn't look like Pollock Street is on the 1851 census.

I've just taken a look at a street index to 1851 Census of Liverpool and there is no Pollock Street!?

Index;
http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Streets1851/Streetindex.htm

I'm going to look for Raymond Street and the surrounding streets and see what that shows up.

Addendum: Just looked through the whole of Raymond St and found nothing that looks like the LYNESS family. I'm now having a think - lol  ???
ABBOTT - St. Helens area & Blackrod, LAN
BAINES - Haydock, LAN
BLACK - Grasmere, WES & Prescot, LAN
COTTAM, HEATON & LITTLER - Ashton-in-Makerfield, LAN
DIEHL - Germany
FORSHAW - Haydock, LAN
HARRISON - Newton-le-Willows, Haydock & Parr, LAN
IRONMONGER - BDF
JACKSON - Newton-le-Willows, LAN & Somerford Booths, CHS
KELLY - Dun Laoghaire
LONGBOTTAM, NAYLOR, NICHOLSON & PARKINSON - LAN
MADDOCKS - WLS, CHS & LAN
MOORE - IRL & LAN
ROSCOE - Sutton/Prescot, LAN
TITTLE & TOLLETT - CHS & LAN