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William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« on: Saturday 11 January 14 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Looking for parents or baptism of William and also his death date. I can't find him after 1861 when he was a coachman living at Market St Paddington, Thanks Pete
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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 11 January 14 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Well, I'm afraid I can't even find him in 1861!    I've been all along Market Street in Paddington, and no sign of him.

Is he the William Harmer - an ostler - living in Marylebone with his wife Jane, on the 1851 census?

IF so, his wife Jane appears to be a pauper in Marylebone Workhouse in 1861.

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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 11 January 14 12:09 GMT (UK) »
hi Pete
Could this be him?
William Thomas  Hamer 10.1.1813 s of Abraham and Ann Holborn St Sepulchre Benjamin St shoemaker.
The parents seem to hedge their bets and have another son Thomas William 27.7.1817
Can't spot his death.
Abraham was buried at St S. 1.2.1835 age 56 Faulkner's Alley
The couple married at Christ Church C of L 20.1.1808 .Abraham Hamer bachelor and Anne Bready widow  both of this parish.wit John Burnley and John Reeve.
If Abraham is his father there are several entries on the London Lives website about his misdemeanors.
Ann Bready may have been the Ann Young marrying James Thelwell Bready widower 19.6.1784 at St Johns Clerkenwell with a burial for James Bready 19 Feb 1793 Task St St Andrew Holborn.

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ps I can't spot him 1861 either.

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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 11 January 14 13:38 GMT (UK) »
Lily M Thanks, that is them in 1851 (21 Providence Pla) . I haven't sourced my 1861 reference so I'll have to spend some time seeing where I found that. If the Jane in the workhouse is correct she should have a Suffolk birthplace. Looking on freeBMd on the basis he died 1851-61 gives a William dying in Marylebone 9/1860

Ciderdrinker, thanks for your info, I would have thought the fact they have  2 sons the same name implies the first one died. Hamer to Harmer is no great jump
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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 11 January 14 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Jane in the workhouse says she was born in Ipswich.

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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 11 January 14 15:01 GMT (UK) »
When did William marry Jane? Quite a gap between 1st and 2nd child in 1851.

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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 11 January 14 15:05 GMT (UK) »
Ipswich fits fine, They married in 1836 at St James Paddington. I have children for them 1837 William, 1840 Joseph, 1843 Mary Anne (my GGM) , 1845 Margaret 1850 Jane
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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 11 January 14 15:08 GMT (UK) »
I see where you got Market Street in 1861 from.

Daughter, Mary Ann, got married then.  Lived Market Street.  Father William Harmer - coachman.

Daughter, Jane Elizabeth, married in 1872 - father William Harmer - cabman

Neither of the daughters mentioned that their father had died, but that doesn't neccesarily mean he hadn't.

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Re: William Harmer b Marylebone c1812
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 11 January 14 15:22 GMT (UK) »
That makes sense, I have their wedding cert so I'll dig it out, trouble is we are packed ready to move  so no idea which box it's in  ;D. to recheck
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