Chatfield family of Bethnal Green

[youngtug]

Are you still looking for Frederick?

 It might be best to list all proven facts, such as  marriage/birth/death certs  information and what you personally know for fact.

[Annette7]

Agree with youngtug - please give us more specific information.   

However, although FreeBMD state the 1918 birth is Alfred P., looking at the original GRO index page it is Alfred F (and it is listed as Alfred F. on Ancestry and FindMyPast).

Annette

[seahall]

Morning.

Known facts are Frederick Chatfield married in 1938.

Known fact noted as aged 19.

Known fact father William a Provisions Warehouseman.

Known fact William and Emily are living at the same address as
Frederick on his marriage certificate.

Death of Frederick unknown.

Birth of Frederick unknown.

Child noted as being born in 1919 parents are Alfred and Ethel.

I have e-mailed Tower Hamlets in case Frederick's birth is missing of the G.R.O
or he was given another 1st name etc.

( I visited St. Catherine's House years ago and saw people adding their
relatives to the bottom of the pages who were not listed) 

Sandy

[louisa maud]

I don't think it is allowed to write on the ledgers, they got away with it but if seen unless it was done officially, I think they would have been in trouble

I am confused, you originally asked about  Frederick born  1916, I did find a Frederick W 1916 Mile End district with parents of the marriage shown, is there another family you are after now

I think a search of baptism records or a cert might be a good idea, he might well have changed his Christian name, not unknown

Louisa Maud

[Annette7]

At the moment, I believe that Frederick Chatfield is the Alfred F. Chatfield (mmn Banks) born Dec.qtr.1918 Bethnal Green.

There is no death entry for this person but no death entry for plain Frederick Chatfield either!

I note from electoral rolls that Frederick and wife Winifred Muriel had moved to Havering by 1964 and still together.

Winifred Muriel Chatfield b.25/2/1920 died Jun.1980 Havering.   Were they still together in 1980?   Did Frederick notify her death?   If not, is it known what happened between 1964 and 1980?   Did they separate perhaps?  (if so, he may have emigrated).

Did they have a child who'd maybe emigrated?   If still together when Winifred died did he decide to emigrate too and live with this child?

I certainly feel that Alfred F. Chatfield born Dec.qtr.1918 and Frederick Chatfield bc.1918 are one and the same and that the likelihood is that either he emigrated some point after 1964 (when we know they were still together) or, indeed, it is even possible he is still alive (would be 95 now) or died sometime after 2005 when online records stop.

Lots of permutations and you might have family history which you haven't mentioned - certainly, it distinctly looks like Alfred F. and Frederick are one and the same and neither of these names appears in death indexes up to 2005.

Annette

[seahall]

Hi louisa maud.

The entries were added to the ledgers with the consent of staff, they used to be all around us.

Most folk were extremely grateful for the extra names to be added.

After receiving the marriage certificate I changed my original post.

Well if it does turn out to be who I think it might his father was named Isaac
William Chatfield at birth.

Talk about name dropping/changing.

[seahall]

Hi Annette.

I know about Frederick after his marriage so do not need to follow that here.

Except of course his death which I will still look for.

As I previously have said I contacted the relevant R.O. who have replied to me
today that it has been passed to their archives section.

I think once I have received a reply I can mark this as completed.

Thanks to all who have assisted.

Sandy

[youngtug]

I know from experience that the Chatfields can be a problem. If it is Alfred. F. Chatfield born Bethnal Green 1918, Dec, Q. Then his mothers maiden name was Banks. Although Colins list shows him to be born to Alfred & Ethel this may be wrong.
  Alfred Chatfield & Ethel Banks marry in 1913,, There is the marriage of William Chatfield & Emily Banks 1897. Dec, Q, Bethnal Green 1c,440. This would fit with your information of Fredericks? parents being William & Emily.
 There are 3 other children born Bethnal Green with a mothers maiden name of Banks, they are; Ellen. R. 1913. Dec, Q.   Leonard. 1914. Dec, Q,  &  Harry. R. 1923. Dec. Q,
This is of course a lot of guess work and the certs, would help to clarify a few points.

[seahall]

Hi.

I heard from Tower Hamlets yesterday who told me they had found a birth for a
Frederick Chaterfield (no year given) with other parents than I suggested.

It would cost £11 or £15 by phone.

Pass.

I had sent for the one from the G.R.O. which has just arrived which means the
Chatfield database is in-correct.

Therefore I will note this as completed.

Sandy