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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 February 14 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Name:  Andrew Dias married a Margaret Stewart Or Smith on the 17 Jun 1853 at Barony, Lanark, Scotland.

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 01 February 14 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Her dad was a hatter in her birth/marriage/death certificates. I couldn't find a birth or death for him or Joseph. I just know their mum was called Mary (from the 1851 census) but their father wasn't listed and she was under Dias.

I have another question/mystery once we get to her mum.
Her name was Margaret Stewart on her own birth certificate, and on Marys. But when I searched her marriage to Andrew the results page said her name was "Stewart or Smith", and on the actual marriage certificate it says Smith. Could she have been widowed/divorced before she married Andrew? Could I post the snippet of their marriage certificate?

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Is this the Dias family in 1881:

Margaret Dias 50 Formerly Boot Binder
Joseph Dias 24 Journeyman Flesher https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQJD-HZC
Margaret Dias 22 Wincey Weaver https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQWH-Z4D
Isabella Dias 16 Boot Top Machinist In Factory https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQWH-BDD
Mary Dias 13 Message Girl In Confectionery https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQWC-CX4
Andrew Dias 10 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ5Y-ZGD

Address: 2 Market St, Glasgow Calton

A check of this census would help in confirming the marital status of Margaret Stewart Dias.

Two more children that don't show in 1881:

Jane 1853 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X1SS-KL6
Thomas 1862 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ51-R5C

...said her name was "Stewart or Smith", and on the actual marriage certificate it says Smith. Could she have been widowed/divorced before she married Andrew? Could I post the snippet of their marriage certificate?

This can often indicate an illegitimate birth, where people would later go by either reputed father's surname or mother's surname.

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Were Mary's parents married? She may have been illegitimate. It was common for children to be registered under one surname & known by another. Or, even one of the surnames could have been a stepfather's! If she was married before, her status would appear as a widow, if she wasn't, she would be a spinster. Hope this helps. Speaking of marriages, were any of the witnesses family members?
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TAYLOR, COBBAN, SCOTT, PATERSON, BARCLAY,  DUNCAN, SKENE, SIM, WOOD, STEPHEN, ROSE,  CUMINE, MORISON, GERRARD, PYPER, ANDERSON,  FARQUHAR, BURNET, THOMSON, DAVIDSON, BIRNIE,  STRACHAN, DEY, GERRIE, ROBERTSON, FINNIE, WYLLIE,STEPHEN,WILLOX,MICHIE,MARR,BRUCE, CLUBB,SLESSOR,CLARK, SIMPSON,HEPBURN,SINCLAIR,BEEDIE,FOWLIE, CLYNE,FINDLATER, JOHNSTON,BROCKIE,PARK, WATT,MACKIE,WALKER,YEATS,THIRD, BURD,EWAN,ARTHUR,AUCKLAND, MURDOCH,LOW, IRVINE,CHALMERS,BOYES, LYON,SMITH,ADIE, WATSON - ALL N.E.SCOTLAND.

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, flst. I added to my post and we crossed over  :P

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:20 GMT (UK) »
This looks to be the family in 1871 - all born in Glasgow. Family surname mis transcribed as shown. Andrew Snr's age looks light too:

Andrew Teas 29 silk platter
Margaret Teas 39
Jane Teas 17
Joseph Teas 15
Margaret Teas 10
Isabella Teas 7
Mary Teas 4
Andrew Teas 1

Address: 2 Market St, Glasgow Calton

Odd about Andrew Snr's age. This looks to be the family in 1861 from what we have. How can Andrew be so young, marry and father from 1853  ::)

Andrew Dias 20 Silk Hatter
Margaret Dias 29
Jane Dias 7
Joseph Dias 4
Margaret Dias 2

Address: 4 Market St East, Glasgow Calton

This reference to Andrew Snr for 1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBPZ-B1Q - age more likely as showing on this link.

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:28 GMT (UK) »
A small online tree for Mary's brother, Joseph McGill who married a Mary McGill in 1885, gives mother Margaret Stewart's death on Christmas Eve of 1912. Have you seen this? I can see it on SP in 1912 in Calton. Calton area seems to have been their base for many years from all these registrations. If you have seen it, what does it say regarding her parents' details (hopefully the informant knew the details)?

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:33 GMT (UK) »
"Odd about Andrew Snr's age. This looks to be the family in 1861 from what we have. How can Andrew be so young, marry and father from 1853" 

Some of the older children may not be Andrews, but have been given his surname. This may explain the Stewart or Smith. Margaret was more than likley married prior to the marriage to Andrew.

1901 census.

 Margaret (Dias) Buchanan  38 (Head)
 James Buchanan  14 (Son)
 William Buchanan  17 (Son)
 Margaret Dias  67 (Mother)
 Joseph Dias  40 (Brother)
 Isabella Dias  10 (Niece)

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Re: Dias surname
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 01 February 14 16:58 GMT (UK) »
Margaret is still alive in 1901. She's staying with her daughter Margaret Buchanan, & family, & Joseph is there too, and another grandaughter at 5 King Street, Calton.
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