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Re: any records that might show persons ethnic background?.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 08 February 14 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Harking back to aghadowey's post, I'd heard a similar "reason" given for a child born with what we would now call Down's Syndrome, to a mother over 40, when I was young. It wasn't in my family, just the child of an sort of friend of my mother, so I've no follow-up to tell if the girl was really Down's syndrome. I suppose in former generations people got all worked up about things that no-one now would be inclined to create a fanciful reason for .... would they?
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Re: any records that might show persons ethnic background?.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 29 December 18 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trixi I think my Great grandma Ellen Tills was your Great grandad Charles Tills sister. Her parents where Charles and Louisa.My Great Grandma died when my Grandad Lawrence Cook was only two and.the family lost contact with the Tills side of the family
My Grandads sister had the afro hair as did her children. I am.very interested in finding out more of the History.and like you have been trying to get more information. Prehapes we could help each other
Lisa

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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 29 December 18 22:20 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to a Rootschat, Lisa.

Who did your Ellen marry and where? Iím not seeing a marriage Tills/Cook marriage.

Is Ellen, Fenella, as seen on the 1891 census?


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« Reply #21 on: Saturday 29 December 18 22:28 GMT (UK) »
When and where was Lawrence born?

Ok, think Iíve got it.  :-\

COOK, LAWRENCE  LEONARD mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 894

Is it, Ellen is the sister of the Charles who married Rose, as per 1891 census?

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« Reply #22 on: Saturday 29 December 18 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Marriage:
Dec 1852 Mutford 4a 1497
TILLS Charles   
LEE Louisa    

1841: Louisa with folks, John and Amy: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73S-ZZG

1851, Louisa and daughter Ellen LEE in the LEE household: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGRL-1M8    

1861 Charles and Louisa: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7DP-GRK

1871 Charles and Louisa: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNF-ZWL

1881: No Louisa: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27D-B5J7

LEE, ELLEN no mmn
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 13  Page 532

TILLS, ANNA  MARIA mmn LEE
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 574

TILLS, CHARLES mmn LEE
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 566

TILLS, HARRIET mmn LEE 
GRO Reference: 1856  M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND (227)  Volume 04A  Page 673   

TILLS, BENJAMIN mmn LEE
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 623

TILLS, WILLIAM mmn LEE
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 681

TILLS, ISAAC  JOHN mmn LEE 
GRO Reference: 1861  J Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 723

TILLS, ALBERT  EDWARD mmn LELI
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 721

TILLS, ARTHUR mmn LEE
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 738

TILLS, MARY  ANN AMY mmn LEE
GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 644

TILLS, WALTER  WILLIAM mmn LEE 
GRO Reference: 1868  M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND  Volume 04A  Page 699

1891 Father Charles with Ellen Cook: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4F53-RZM

Deaths:

Dec 1871 Mutford 4a 487   
TILLS Louisa 44

Dec 1899 Mutford 4a 669
TILLS Charles 70

Christening has mother of Louisa as Emma, but 1841 census has mother as Amy:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRM2-YVN

Her brother George has Amy on christening:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9S1-CKS

Death of Amy:

Sep 1850
LEE Amy Mutford 13 357

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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 30 December 18 00:19 GMT (UK) »
My Great Grandma died when my Grandad Lawrence Cook was only two.

Now the problem with that which I have posted in the previous post is, if this is the correct connection, Ellen is still alive when Lawrence is 3 and there is a 1 year old brother in 1891.

COOK, LAWRENCE  LEONARD mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 894

COOK, AUGUSTUS  LEE mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 901

Lawrence with three siblings on the 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSVD-9S4

Her death?:
Sep 1893 Mutford 4a 592
Cook Ellen Lee 42   

Marriages:
Sep 1876 Mutford 4a 1113
COOK William Henry
TILLS Ellen   

Sep 1896 Mutford 4a 1733
COOK William Henry   
ALDOUS Emma

William with second wife and children from both marriages, 1901:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSV8-B9D    

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 30 December 18 01:25 GMT (UK) »
I assume this is the family?

1891 census: Class: RG12; Piece: 1492; Folio: 40; Page: 29
38 Bevan Street, Lowestoft, Suffolk

Tills, Charles  Head  M  36  Painter  b Barnby, Suffolk
Tills, Rose  Wife  F  33  b Kessingland
Tills, William  Son  M  13  Scholar  b Kessingland
Tills, Fenella  Daughter  F  12 b Kessingland
Tills, Percy Daniel  Son  M  10  b Kessingland
Tills, Rosa  Daughter  F  9  b Kessingland
Tills, Lilian May  Daughter  F  7  b Kessingland


1911, including married Fenella: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GB-VNB
1911, husband of Fenella and two children: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GB-VLZ

Marriage:

Jun 1901 Mutford 4a 1942
TILLS Fenella
WOOLNOUGH Frederick William

BMD:

WOOLNOUGH, DOROTHY  FENELLA NICOLE mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 1140

Dec 1950 Fakenham 4b 828
WOOLNOUGH Dorothy F N   
POTTER Arthur W

Jun 1977 N WALSHAM 10m1467
POTTER Dorothy Fenella N 30AU1901

WOOLNOUGH, FREDERIC  CHARLES mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1903  S Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 1197

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189773818/frederick-charles-woolnough

WOOLNOUGH, ALAN  REGINALD mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1906  M Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 1192

WOOLNOUGH, GRACE  LILIAN mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1910  M Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 1083

Dec 1914 Samford 4a 1068
Woolnough Grace L 4

WOOLNOUGH, JOHN  VINCENT mmn TILLS
GRO Reference: 1912  J Quarter in MUTFORD  Volume 04A  Page 2089

Jun 1941 Holderness 9d 197
WOOLNOUGH John V 29

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/59972608/john-vincent-woolnough

Deaths:

Mar 1925 Mutford 4a 1294
TILLS Charles 70

Jun 1938 Lothingland 4a 1205
TILLS Rose A 80

Jun 1958 Sittingbourne 5b 705
WOOLNOUGH Fenella 79
Graves:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125516004/fenella-woolnough
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/125516006/frederick-william-woolnough

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 30 December 18 07:56 GMT (UK) »
Prehapes he was three and not two
The brothers and sisters you quoted are definitely his brothers and sisters as my dad Lawrence Graeme Cook has verified (he is 100 by the way)


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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 30 December 18 08:03 GMT (UK) »
Prehapes he was three and not two
The brothers and sisters you quoted are definitely his brothers and sisters as my dad Lawrence Graeme Cook has verified (he is 100 by the way)

He was between 5 and 6 when mother died.  ;) His birth is registered in the December quarter of 1887 and his motherís September quarter 1893.

Wow, 100 is cool.

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