Can't find my Great-Nan's birth record

[mark1717]

Hi, I'm new to all this and i have been trying to find out about my family, so far i have found 7 of my 8 great grandparents birth certificates online with the freebmd site, but i am stuck on the last one. Her name is Chiesa which i have been told is of Italian descent i have found her marriage certificate to my great grandfather(Joseph Routledge married in 1928 Cumberland) but i cannot find her birth certificate, does this mean she was not born in the UK? I know her family came from Italy but i am unsure if she was born there as she has a very uncommon Italian name, on the marriage certificate it is Jennie.

Can anyone give me an idea on how i could find it?

[groom]

Hi welcome to Rootschat

What was her father's name and occupation? Have you tried looking for the family in the 1911 or 1901 census as that will tell you where she was born. I'm afraid that we cant give details of the 1911 on here because of copyright.

[mark1717]

Sadly i do not know, i have no idea what her father's name was or occupation, i have been told he was from Italy and could not speak English very well i'm quite sure he was born and raised in Italy and i think he moved to England, i have checked the 1911 census but can not find a record of a Jennie Chiesa i could of the man she married but sadly not her, i am not 100% that she was born in the UK.

Thanks for your speedy reply.

[groom]

You may have to buy the marriage certificate to find out her father's details. You can get this from The  General Register Office  http://www.gro.gov.uk/  for £9.25 using the details you found. ie

Marriages Jun 1928   
CHIESA    Jennie   
ROUTLEDGE Joseph W   
Cockermouth    10b   1264

I can't see her on the 1911 or 1901, so perhaps she was born in Italy.

[mark1717]

ok thanks  . Will this Document say what part of Italy they are from how will i find her mothers details as well?

[groom]

Unfortunately it probably won't. All it will tell you is where she was living at the time of her marriage and who her father was and his occupation. It may also tell you if he was alive in 1928.

When did she die? Modern death certificates also have the date and place of birth on them, but I'm not sure when this started.

Added: I knew it would be somewhere on Rootschat    " Entries on death certificates after 1st April 1969 will also show the place and date of birth of the deceased. "

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=477949.0

[glenclare]

Name:
Jennie Routledge

Birth Date: May 1906

Date of Registration:Feb 1985

Age at Death:78

Registration district: Cockermouth

Volume:1
Page: 493

[groom]

Good find Glenclare

I cant see her on Freebmd for 1906, so it does look as if she was born abroad. Given that she died in 1985, her death certificate should tell you where she was born, providing the person who registered it knew.

[nanny jan]

FamilySearch.org has records from Italy.  Do you know where in the country the family came from?

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?page=1&countryId=1927178


Nanny Jan